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Desperately seeking sleep solution! (Long, sorry...)

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ElphabaTheGreen · 30/09/2012 17:54

Like everyone else here I suppose!

Four-and-a-bit month old DS cannot self-settle (normal at his age, I know) and cannot nap or fall asleep without a great deal of effort on my part (feeding, rocking, white noise - one, some or all of the above). We have a good evening bedtime routine in place, so he is fairly reliably asleep by 8:30pm, using any combination of the above sleep props. I then need to hold him for half an hour to an hour before I can get him into his cot, otherwise his eyes fly open, he agitates himself wide awake and I have to start the whole process again and usually swear loudly. From midnight-ish, he is awake more or less every hour and above process needs to be repeated each time to get him back to sleep, then he decides it's time to get up for the day at 5am (if I'm lucky - more often as not, it's 4am). The other night, inexplicably, he slept 8:30 to 4am and once I'd got over the relief that he hadn't succumbed to cot death was the loveliest, happiest little boy, as opposed to ticking time-bomb little grump who has an inconsolable, unstoppable hour-long meltdown, sometimes more than once a day, if I can't get at least one long nap, or several short ones into him, during the day. These usually need to be taken on me, so I can't get catch up sleep, nor can I get anything done.

Having read other threads, a lot of the advice is 'he'll outgrow it' and 'enjoy the cuddles while they last'. I totally, totally appreciate this and I'd be happy with that, but I have an added challenge - I am in the process of looking for work and I need to be able to complete job applications and attend interviews without my brain feeling like blancmange. I've tried propping my laptop on the pillow in front of me for the purpose of application-writing, but it once slid onto his head. If I go to an interview or visit a potential employer and it takes more than a couple of hours, no-one else but me or my DH can get him to sleep, so he'll be in afore-mentioned meltdown with the grandparents by the time I get back.

I've tried PUPD (makes him even more wired), shh pat (screams) and gradual withdrawal (non-starter - won't fall asleep, or even get remotely sleepy, in his cot). I'm not willing to co-sleep as I'm too fearful of smothering him, and I don't want to add another issue, i.e. getting him out of my bed and into his own, further on down the track. I'm not adverse to CC/CIO, as I can't see how that could be any worse for him than his overtired meltdowns, but I know it's not recommended until 6 months at least. He won't take a dummy and swaddling gives him the pip because he is enamoured with his hands and feet.

So, after all that lot, does anyone have any other suggestions as to how I can get him to self-settle? Any suggestions as to how I can try and get a nap routine established? He seems to know falling asleep is what happens after his bath-feed routine in the evening - is there a pre-nap routine that might work for him to know he's supposed to be falling asleep for a nap and may break him out of one of his overtired tantrums? Any suggestions as to how long I should leave it to see if he'll sort himself out before I start sleep training?

Sorry for the length - addled with sleep deprivation and non-productivity!

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PebblePots · 07/10/2012 09:16

No you haven't blown it. At the end of the day the aim is to get him asleep which you did. Just try again tonight :)

BlingLoving · 07/10/2012 09:26

You have blown nothing. You are trying to get him used to a new time and routine. That's challenging. We started with the earlier sleep, doing whatever it took but usually it was quicker then started working on getting him to fall asleep alone. Try again tonight.

ElphabaTheGreen · 07/10/2012 09:30

Thanks so much. xx

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PebblePots · 07/10/2012 22:36

Fwiw I think you did the right thing, after 2 hours I think its time to say enough & just do what you need to to comfort & get to sleep.

IHeartCake · 09/10/2012 10:30

Well done you! Congratulations on an improvement!
Now the hard part is to preserver if he continues to wake from 1-3. This is where I always fall down. Supposedly, this is where they are supposed to kick the habit in 3 days but these babies...
How long are you waiting before you go to him? 5 mins? I know you said you are in the same room so waiting might not be an option...?

So now the naps. If he was awake from 6am to almost 9, I would certainly say that he was overtired, as the 30min nap would suggest. My advise would be to take him out in the pram or the car around 7:45 and see if you can get him to fall asleep before/around 8. Then if he wakes 30 mins later, jiggle/ rock for at least 5 mins to see if you can get him to go back down. Keep the snooze shade on so he can't see you. My DS is 10mo and still occasionally frequently wakes after 30mins or an hour so I still often put him to sleep in the carseat or pram. He almost always resettles and goes for another 30min-1hr.

I would focus on getting some decent naps into him with no more than around 2hrs awake time and see if you can get around this OT, which might be contributing to the long night waking. Focus on getting the naps anyway you can now, and you can always get them settled into the cot later.

Of course, I don't know why you'd take advise from me! My DS had me up 9xs last night and NOTHING works for him! blgh.

ElphabaTheGreen · 09/10/2012 11:38

HUGE improvements to report since my wobble. Has been settling within 15-20 minutes now in the cot with me still sitting with a hand on him, or holding the blankets so he doesn't kick them off for the forty-fifth time and wake himself up too much.

Night before last, slept 7:30ish til 2am, had a feed then straight back in the cot where he hummed a bit and played with the sheets until about 2:45 then slept until 6am. He was in a lovely mood all day, but I could only get three or four 30-40 minute naps into him (doing pretty much as you say IHeart Smile) which may have accounted for the slightly more disturbed sleep last night - flat out by 7pm, awake at 8pm but asleep again by 8:20 with more humming and fiddling, slept until 12:30, fed, then back to sleep by about 1:30; awake at 4am, and a lot more reluctant to go down again after his feed so we had a bit of yelling but he was off again by 5am then woke up again at six. I didn't want to push my luck so got him up for the day and got him into his pram (put him straight in after a feed - woop!) for a 1.5 hour nap at 8 this morning, and I've just got him in the pram the same way for another one now.

I know the wheels may come off yet but the difference that little bit of extra sleep has made for both of us is extraordinary. Can't thank you all enough for all of your help and support. Thanks Thanks Thanks

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BlingLoving · 09/10/2012 18:05

Well done. Sounds like earlier bed and GW is working.

PebblePots · 10/10/2012 13:08

Great news, makes such a difference to you when they go to sleep/ back to sleep quickly. Just keep at it, I imagine he'll get better & better the more he gets used to the new way of doing things & as he gets older.

IHeartCake · 11/10/2012 10:16

BTW, i did type a big response but somehow it seems not to have posted. I don't know what I said but it was something about sorting out the naps and how at his age I think going from 6-9am might be a bit tough hense the OT 30 min nap. Can you try putting him in the buggy at 7:45 and see if you can get him to sleep by 8. Then if he stirs you can give him a little rock to get him back off (might take up to 5 mins).

My DS is 10mo old and I still do this to get a good nap in him. I think it's more important to try to get the right amount of day sleep at the right times than it is to get him in the cot. That can come later.

Hope its still going well

ElphabaTheGreen · 11/10/2012 12:38

Hi there - yes it posted! I can see it anyway.

All going well. Still having a bit of an explosion about 40 minutes after going to sleep at 7pm, but he's settling within 15-20 mins just with me sitting by the cot. Settling consistently in his cot straight after each of his two night feeds. Getting three to four short to medium naps into him a day which he takes in his pram, not on me, and he hasn't had an overtired tantrum in days!

Almost don't care if it all goes pear shaped in a week or a month because I've finally been able to get the catch up sleep to cope.

Really sorry to hear about your ongoing sleep problems IHeart. I've got it easy by the sounds of things!

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IHeartCake · 11/10/2012 15:09

Oh duh. there were 2 pages. i really am sleep deprived! And I seem to have missed out on that whole wobbly bit. Sorry!!

Ok that is great! Well done you! None of us have it easy. You are still up loads but great that you are feeling optimistic. I think if you just keep at it and keep withdrawing, you'll get there.

According to my Millpond book, you should withdraw a bit more every 3 days...

And for the naps, if the 2hr rule is working then great. Keep that up. If you start to get nap resistance, just push it out by 5 mins. usually buggy naps make schedule adjustments easy as they'll just stay awake an extra 5 mins and you'll start to notice a pattern. Again, this is just my experience...

Oh yes. I have my own thread where I'm complaining about lack of sleep. Join us! DS is a little angel/terror. so tired. but I love hearing of people improving. It gives me hope! Smile

ElphabaTheGreen · 11/10/2012 16:30

Yes - I've been lurking Smile

I was thinking about the Millpond book actually with regards to your situation. I'm sure there's a case study in there on night weaning but I'm sure you've tried it already!

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IHeartCake · 11/10/2012 20:50

Totally. That Millpond book was a GODSEND with my daughter. Totally sorted us out. Gave me false security about my son! BLGH...

Maybe once he's in my DD his own room, the NW won't seem so impossible. Rough night already with him :(

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