<yawn> anyone else got a developmentaly leaping, forgotten how to sleeping, growth spurting baby?

[Indith]

Want to come be sleep deprived with me?

Ds2 is 6 months old. By this age ds1 was sleeping 13 hours a night. I feel all misty eyed at the memory.

He started self settling at 4 months but then the 4 month regression hit and we've not seen that again but he as fairly settled, feeding 3 hourly and going right back to sleep.

Currently he is trying desperately to crawl. He fights sleep like crazy, hardly naps in the day even on the school run or in the car. If at home and I put him down he is awake and screaming within 5 minutes while trying to do press ups and crawl around the bed. When he finally gives up in the evening and either feeds to sleep or lets dh walk him around the house til he drops off he wakes several times during the evening screaming and tossing around and will not let dh settle him any more. He wakes constantly at night, I'm talking every half hour or so and for the first half of the night latches on and feeds back to sleep but then in the middle part is so bloody full of milk he won't latch on and just head buts me and hits me before he settles in to feeding again towards 4am.

This had bloody well better be a developmental leap that passes soon. So, so tired.

He woke this evening and screamed and screamed and screamed. He even screamed at me when I tried to latch him on. Poor baby really doesn't seem to be able to stay asleep any more even when he is desperate to :(

The rolling was a disaster for me but it may work for you... DD took a few weeks after she learnt to roll to tummy to roll to back. That few weeks were bliss because she's a tummy sleeper and I decided to just let her when she did it herself. Unfortunately once she learnt to roll to back, she constantly rolls to her back and then thinks its time to play. But you may find that quite soon yr DS may get used to his tummy and find magical sleep.

We travelled back from holiday last night and had a hideous night with both DCs. I also brought her into bed this morning and was enjoying a lovely cuddly snooze until DS yelled 'wake up mummy. Want to poo' in my ear. Nothing like an early morning poo wake up call to start your week.

He did sleep on his tummy the other night & slept through til 4.30! I was really nervous though & went to check him every two hours

Urgh I hate rolling. Ds1 slept on his back, still does. Flat out like he is dead. Whe I check on him (bear in mind he is 5 and a half so I should stop being paranoid really) I have to poke him to see if he is alive as he is so quiet. Dd was always a tummy sleeper, right form birth she NEVER, EVER settled on her back. EVER. I spent hours trying til I gave up. She still sleeps on her tummy and snores her head off and thrashes around. I always know she is alive . When she started rolling it was hideous. Even more hideous than her hideous sleep. She'd do press ups and scream then roll and scream. .

Ds2 sleeps on his side/half on his tummy. He gets very cross if he rolls onto his back. Why is there always such a long time delay between the ability to roll and the realisation that this means they can bloody well roll back again and roll around til they find a comfy way to sleep. Ds2 if you roll to your back don't scream just roll to your side again and shit your bloody eyes!

So far tonight just one waking, patted back to sleep by dh in a couple of minutes.

Well done. We've had two wake up's here already, plus the most enormous poo you've ever seen. Had to cut his clothes off & emergency bath him... 'twas huge!

DS is 19w and has been so up and down with his sleep for a month now. I thought we may be coming out of it as he had a handful of nights doing 8pm to between 4:30 and 6am then a feed followed by another couple of hours, but last night we had wake-ups from 11-12, 1:15, 3:45, 6:15: argh!

Also, what is WITH the farting? It wakes him up and stops him from settling.

Grim night here. Slightly better bedtimes but paying for it in the night. Why can't more than one thing be ok at a time??

Well my baby woke at 10pm full of snot so that's the patting to sleep out of the window for a bit. Dh escaped to the spare room again and me and snotty shared a bed.

Good night Tuesday (7:45-3:30, 5-7:50) but last night we were back to waking every two hours again! Wind and teeth were the culprits this time. Anyone else really envy people whose DCs wake at the same times each night?

Have been lurking but not posting for a few days but DS2 has gone from bad to worse. I think I had about 2.5 hours sleep last night; he is just using me as a human dummy every time he wakes up (every 1-2 hours).

Indith - how long did it take for the sh/patting to work. I remember doing it successfully with DS1 but if I try with DS2 it doesn't work at all - I've tried sitting with him for up to an hour (not always crying, sometimes quiet, sometimes playing). Do I need to try for longer to begin with, do you think?

Well arti we didn't get long of doing it because ds2 is now full of snot and teething agan!

What I did though was a very very rapid pat on his back and if he thrashed around and turned I just patted his tummy instead because I want him t find his own comfy sleeping position. That is the hardest part I think, not picking him up and turning him over etc in the cot all the time or fishing him out of the corner. I do the rapid patting then when he calms down leave my hand there. If he stays calm take it away and wait a couple of mins to make sure he is asleep. If he starts wriggling and complainaing again I start patting straight away. First night he screamed at dh for half an hour but dh was pratting around singling twinkle twinkle and stuff. He has not cried at me for more than 5 mins doing the patting.

I don't know how much effect it will have though since we've not done it for long before the cold hit so we've not cut any waking yet, just have a way of getting him to sleep that doesn't involve feeding. Which is rather good since he was getting cross with me for trying to feed him when he wasn't hungry! Still feeding to sleep at bedtime, have yet to see about putting him down awake.

Can I join? DD is 10months and has apparetnly been going through the 9month sleep regression for 6weeks. Finally figured out she doesn't need feeding in the night but she's gone from realiably waking at 5am and feeding/cuddling to sleep to now howling the house down at 1am - took til 3:30am last night to get her to sleep. I think nap refusal is early dropping of her first nap but of course when she wakes in the night she practises crawling, pulling herself up, clapping her goddamn hands....endless

Even worse that like OP, her brother had been sleeping through for 2months by this age.

I'm so BORED of not having a full night's sleep....

Well we're about 6 weeks into this nonsense and after a brief spell of hope it's actually getting worse! DS used to sleep at least 3 hours after being put to bed, he's now introduced a new wake up time of about 10.30pm ( usually goes to bed about 8.30pm ) He's teething too which isn't helping.
I have tried getting him to settle without being fed, also using 'shush pat' but it rarely works. After last nights attempt, where he screamed in my arms for 15 minutes before I caved in and fed him, I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he is hungry after all. He's only 18 weeks after all, if he's still like this once I've started weaning him I'll have to rethink the plan!

Currently feeling guilty as I hadn't noticed the batteries had gone in the monitor, when I realised I dashed to check him and he was awake and crying :( I just hope he hadn't been like that for long, am telling myself if he'd really been screaming I would have heard him. Poor thing, what a rotten mother. Maybe we should have splashed out on a fancy video monitor after all instead of borrowing a very basic one.

I woke a couple of nights ago to find the monitor off & DS crying. I felt terrible. Poor little guy didn't know what was going on. He was totally stuck on his tummy at the bottom of the cot.

There's a big growth spurt between 14-19 weeks, so that's no doubt the culprit. I found them all awful but that one especially bad. I don't think DS slept at all for about 10 days!

Rubbish night here. Seem to be coming down with a cold. Feel rubbish this morning. DH has been away all week and I cannot wait for him to come home!

DH being utterly useless and a) didn't give DD her dream feed b) is playing on his fucking online game so loudly it's waking her up. It's one thing me dealing with all the nighttime bollocks if it's because he has to be up for work, quite another if he's just up late and being a PITA.

I never heard Of this sleep regression thing until this thread!! We never had it with dd1. She was a complete bugger in the evenings and never properly 'went to bed' until way after 10pm, but then from 4 months she would sleep through to 6 or 7 am. It had taken years to bring bedtime forward. Now at nearly age 3 it is 8.30-9ish. But when asleep, she stayed asleep u less ill.
Dd2? No chance. Out like a light at 7pm (hurray, I have evenings, or at least some time alone with dd1). But at 6 months, and on 3 meals a day for over a month, she still wakes from midnight onwards. Typically at least 2 feeding sessions, and additional settling, dummy in, rocking, in the bed with us etc. she has never ever 'slept through'. And I do 't expec her to any time soon. She barely sleeps in the day either, what is it with these babies???

Oh no Seriously, not another bloody growth spurt?!
I'm actually thinking of getting him checked for tongue tie ( posted about this in feeding ) as I think he has a lot of the signs, but I could just be clutching at straws.

Cydonia - my DS1 had tongue tie. What makes you think he might have it? DS1 took ages to feed, made me sore and dribbled milk everywhere when he fed. Will look at your other post.

Cydonia sounds rough. It is the slipping and losing the latch that could suggest something going on. It is definitely worth asking for a specialist to have a look. Is there a LaLecheLeague perspn near you at all? They can often be a good starting point.

You know the more I find out about tongue tie the more I think dd is. It certainly explains how bad she was to feed. shame I didn't know about it back then. As she got bigger feeding did settle but when smaller her latch was too shallow, she struggled, we all screamed and cried. She even had the tell tale clicking but nobody picked it up.

wish these bloody teeth would come through. poor me ds2.

I'd never thought of tongue tie before as didn't think he had the symptoms, but the more I read the more of it applies to him. I'm not sure though, as a lot of the signs could be other things too. It's just recently that I've got sore and only on one side, and his feeding pattern has changed too. He's going through a lot at the moment as is teething and really changing in himself too, so much more alert and active - just watching him concentrating on grabbing his foot as I type!
Think my first port of call will be BF group on thursday ( hope my nipples can hold out til then! ) and see from there. Nothing's simple is it?!

Nope never!

It is always best to have a chat with someone and get it checked out though. It can never hurt. Teeth can cause latch problems too of course as it can hurt to feed so they try to latch in a different way and then the tooth comes through and thye don't quite know what to do with it. It normally calms down after a bit and you jsut have to be really good at making sure they are latched on properly like when they were newborn! I find with mine that going back to latching with hand supporting shoulders etc newborn style (I imagine now you probably just hold him in the crook of your arm?) helps as it encourages the head to tip back for a nice wide mouth.

Another one with a sleep regression... DD has just turned 9mths and used to go to bed about 6pm quite reliably (feed to sleep) but wake every 2 hours for a feed. Now she has a nap at 6pm wakes 20-30minutes later all happy chappie and then goes to sleep proper about 8pm (last night it was after 9pm). I dont mind the 2 hourly feeding (I cosleep) its the later bedtime and not having any time to myself in the evening that's starting to nark me off...

DD always seems to know when I'm about to start sleep training (again) and makes it twice as hard as normal to get her settled. Bored of no sleep....

7 weak old premature. Drug dependant baby. Only sleeps 3/4hrs at a time :( shattered.com
Am fostering him and he is adorable but omg 2 feeds a night for the last 6 Weaks. Am losing the will to live here

6 month old dd has decided to be wide awake right now. Rather than her usual waking for a feed every 2 hours.

Sorry not read whole thread but there's an 8 month sleep regression? nooooooo!! So, have just learnt that this could be over in a month's time, only to start again a month later. I give up.

suzy a prem 7 week old shouldn't go longer than 3-4 hours between feeds. Their tummies are still tiny. Knackering but necessary.

Well done for fostering, it's something I would love to do one day. about the drug dependency. I've worked in addiction services & it broke my heart.

DS woke pretty much two hourly from 6 weeks to 5/6 months, with all the growth spurts. Have you seen The Wonder Weeks Really brilliant for keeping your sanity!!