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There's no magic solution, is there?

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Mitsouko · 20/07/2012 16:21

Sitting here with poor, overtired DD who is 17 weeks. She's been a sleep fighter since birth, struggled with awful colic and reflux, is generally high need and likes a lot of body contact both day and night. I'm trying my best to meet her needs, but it's hard as I'm on my own with no friends or family to help. DH is wonderful but works long days with an hour's commute each way.

Basically, in desperate pursuit of sleep for DD and to keep the fussiness from escalating, I've resorted to just doing whatever works. Naps are usually in sling, pram or lap - she can only be awake for about 2 hours max before the tired signs start happening - eye rubbing, yawning, fussiness. But unfortunately just dropping her in the cot at the first sign of tiredness, patting and shushing does nothing but upset her more. She'll easily fall asleep nursing or in bed next to me, but will wake if moved. If not moved, the naps tend to last only 20-30 minutes, then she wakes up, still tired.

I generally start "bedtime" between 6 and 7 with warm bath, baby massage, lullabies, and a bf - but still, she fights sleep or if she drifts off wakes within 10-20 minutes of dropping off. Last night we worked on it from 7-10:30. Cycle of feed, rock, put down, shush pat, wake, cry, nurse again, etc. I could probably cope better with the 3-4 hours it takes to get her down if we could get a solid block of night sleep, but she rarely goes more than 3 hours. Bad nights she'll wake hourly.

I'm co sleeping for much of the night but struggle with it. I've been having a lot of post natal anxiety, and frequently wake with nightmares that something has happened to DD. The sleep deprivation feeds the anxiety, and then the anxiety makes it harder to sleep, it's a really vicious cycle. I do meditate and get out for walks each day, which helps a bit - it's still a real struggle though.

I did broach this with HV recently who was pretty unsympathetic, said that the problem was of my own making as I've fed, cuddled, rocked to sleep and DD hasn't learned to self settle. But honestly, I don't think all babies can do that, especially this young. I have tried putting DD down when sleepy and then leaving her be, but she doesn't sleep, she cries. And not whimpery little cries for 10 minutes until she drops off, but full on, terrified screaming and I can't bear leaving her like that - so gave up on that and continue helping her to sleep however I can.

Sorry so long, I know the only answer is to ride it out but just needed to get this out as lacking in RL support, Thanks for reading.

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Meggymoodle · 20/07/2012 19:47

Poor you, it is hideous. I don't really have any advice as she is little for controlled crying and you don't sound like you want to go down that route anyway. Sorry, but didn't want to read and run.

Your anxiety sounds particularly trying as you're right, tiredness makes everything 100 times worse.

For what it's worth, things do get easier as they get older. I now have a DS 3.5 years, who was always a really easy sleeper and and DD 19 months, who was always a shocking sleeper. We still have problems with her at times but not consistently so I'm not in that constant fuzzy-headed-with-knackeredness stage that you're at now. It will pass, honestly.

GEM33 · 20/07/2012 20:34

omg! i have just posted on someone elses thread that their 8 month old sounds like my nearly 8 month old dd but now reading your thread, you sound even more like us. down to the waking after a bad dream that something has happened to dd (she sleeps right next to me in a co sleeper bed (loads better than having her in my bed as this added to my anxiety that i would overheat/crush her) and i cant see me moving her to her own room for a while yet, im far too anxious).

it sounds like you are doing all the right things. youve got a good routine, you are aware of self settling, tired signs etc. it might just take some time and you could get there. (the wonderful pot of gold sleeping through).
ive been posting loads on this sleep bit asking for help and reading other peoples advice for months, friends and family all put the 2 pennith in and I am now convinced that every so often a baby comes along that is just high needs and a bit more sensitive and canny and you have to work round what works for them.
my dd slept through the night about twice when she was 2-3 months, since then i wake generally every 45-60 mins sometimes more sometimes less through the night with her. she feeds about every 1-2 hours still through the day.
maybe im a soft touch and ive done all the wrong things, maybe the baby whisperer herself would have had trouble with my dd, who knows. i just want to say, i feel your pain, we have a new saying in the house, 'im the most tired i have ever been''. if you find a magic solution, let me know. xxx

CakeAndCaffeine · 20/07/2012 21:13

Hello, I don't have any magic solution but I just wanted to reply, I really feel for you. I think that following your instincts is the best thing you can do - she's so little still, she just wants to be close to you. Your HV's expectations sound a bit ambitious for a 17 week old! My DD (nearly 1) still doesn't self settle... I've just bought 'no cry sleep solution' which seems very good for breastfeeding & co sleeping mums - haven't tried out any of the tips yet though... It sounds like it would really help you to meet some other mums to share stories - I've always found that helps to keep things in perspective. Do you know of any baby and toddler groups / breastfeeding groups etc in your area? It's really worth going along, however tired you are, to get out and talk to other people in the same boat. And there's bound to be at least one with a super-baby who slept through from 6 weeks, blah blah... Ignore them! The La Leche League UK website has a link to a good website about babies' sleep patterns which will reassure you that night waking is normal. Good luck, I really hope you get some more sleep soon!

PickledLily · 21/07/2012 08:10

You are not alone! Me too, 17wo, reflux, bad sleeper, high need. I've posted on here loads looking for an answer, not found it yet but gettinglots of support and a few giggles which always help, from lovely MNers.

I'm lying here with my needy DD stretched out across my chest. I can't move because she'll wake if I do (and she slept v badly last night and no naps yesterday, whilst insisting on being carried, upright). Ive come the conclusion alot of it is due to the discomfort of reflux, which causes her to thrash around and wake at night. Makes cosleeping uncomfortable, doesn't it? Not helped by them burying their heads into the mattress. 2hrs is a good stretch of sleep for me.

I deal with it by getting up at whatever time I'm ready (if DD lets me), and telling myself that this is what babies do, that those people saying they sleep through are in denial and lying (ok, they prob aren't but it makes me feel better), and that at least I'm letting my baby try to sleep rather than follow routine/rules that someone has made up and is prob making mint out of book sales.

I second going to a baby group, getting the reflux checked out by an understanding GP. And avoid HVs and anyone who gloats about their baby slerping through/tells you to CIO. They only make you feel rubbish. Oh and maybe read some Dr Sears if you haven't already.

Babies have alot of developmental changes leading up to 19weeks, apparently which makes them cranky. I found the wonder weeks book useful here.

Also can you get DH to agree a night when he does the getting up?

passmyglass · 22/07/2012 14:30

I was absolutely you a few months ago. Hugs. It is rubbish, but one day soon it will be a lot better.

Does she respond to white noise (hoover/ hairdryer etc)? If so - get something along those lines to help immediately. I have a smart phone (not iphone, but nokia one) and I got a white noise app on it called sleepmaker saved my life when DD was that age.

Secondly, and I know this is really tough, psyche yourself up with chocolate bars/ coffee/ whatever helps, for a battle: start with the first nap of the day as this is easiest to fix. Do whatever it takes to get her vvv nearly fast asleep, then pop her in cot straight away (whilst shushing or white noise if these help at all). She will of course be furious. Pick her up straight away, comfort, get her so she's vvv nearly asleep and repeat again and again, telling yourself 'I will WIN this'. If possible, keep going until you do win and she stays asleep in cot. If you can't face it, give in and try again tomorrow.

Eventually, you are working towards putting her down more and more awake, but very little by little.

I don't want to sound like I think I'm the oracle here (christ knows I have enough difficulties with my DD in this area), but this did help me crack that awful stage where I felt I was trapped by DD 24/7, so I really hope some of it helps you.

PickledLily · 22/07/2012 19:38

Oh, white noise, yes. Definitely a winner with my DD. It seems to help her block out all her 'internal' noise and pain.

Passmyglass - I was told that pick up/put down a la Baby Whisperer style (I think that is what you are describing?) wasn't a good idea for reflux babies as it sloshes the stomach acids about too much. I tried this a couple of times before I realised and poor DD was in a complete state; screaming with pain when put down and instantly asleep on me when picked up because she was so exhausted.

But it might just be my baby that is affected in this way.

passmyglass · 22/07/2012 21:26

PickledLily I really couldn't comment on reflux - no idea. Actually I tried the baby whisperer method and that didn't work for my DD either - I think a bit like yours she found it confusing and it got her into a state. What I've tried to describe is not really a method, but just what helped me: key differences from baby whisperer being 1) I would hold DD for as long as it takes for her to be vvv nearly asleep (I think BW just waits until calm) and then gradually work on putting her down a tiny bit more awake and 2) I think BW insists persistence is key, no matter how many PU/PD it takes. Whereas, I always went at it with determination, but allowed for the fact that sometimes I would look at DD and conclude that we'd both had enough.

Not saying the BW is wrong by the way, or that what I've described is right, it's just that BW didn't agree with us. HTH

PickledLily · 23/07/2012 04:45

No, what you described makes alot more sense than BW. Maybe there is hope for me yet!

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