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how dangerous to put baby to sleep on side ?

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smk84 · 16/07/2012 14:33

Hi, DS, 6 weeks old, will only seem to settle to sleep on his side. Can anyone please point me in the direction of any evidence for this being dangerous? I know babies used to be put to sleep on their sides. If we put him on his back he just wakes up every 20 minutes at the moment. It really worries me though that we should be putting him on his back. Do you think it's ok to put him on his side during the day while he is being watched? Does anyone let their baby sleep on their side all the time? Many thanks

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PickledLily · 16/07/2012 21:57

Not sure if that comment was directed at me MrsMop? Confused but FWIW my view is that my baby was safer sleeping on her side than her front. Like you, sleeping on her back wasn't an option due to reflux.

I'm not sure everyone is aware of the stats, but I thought it useful to share. It wasn't an attempt to influence people one way or the other.

mrsmopsmissingmojo · 16/07/2012 22:03

I really don't mind if I am judged! I was simply answering a question? Have we all got to lie and give the politically correct answer? Or are we allowed as mothers with experience and common sense to make decisions, informed ones for ourselves!

There are statistics that prove bf is better for our baby's but do we dictate all mothers breast feed? No of course not. We make that decision for ourselves and our babies! An informed choice. It is the same thing IMO.

PickledLily · 16/07/2012 22:04

Wow xeno, that link makes interesting reading. Why wouldn't the UK government be more supportive I wonder?

Chandon · 16/07/2012 22:07

My babies slept on their sides, they are 7 and 10 now, is this no longer the norm then?

Or does the advice differ per country?

Sorry, that does not help, all so comfusing, isn t it?!

gallicgirl · 16/07/2012 22:12

babies in nicu are put to sleep on their tummies as it helps digestion in premature babies BUT they also have alarms and sleep apnoea mats to warn of any cessation in breathing.

spammertime · 16/07/2012 22:23

Just incase my previous post isn't seen, I repeat that all my children have slept on their tummies.

However there is very very good evidence to say sleeping on their backs is safer. That isn't "politically correct" (oh how I hate that phrase). You're totally right that we should all make educated judgements about what our children do, and I agree what is best for one is not what is best for another. But it's very important that people do very much see that the safest way for babies to sleep is on their backs - not everyone has the time to read everything, and I'd hate to think that some glib throwaway line from me meant someone started putting their baby to sleep on their front without knowing all the facts.

Remember most people who smoke will be just fine - doesn't mean I want to take the risk and do it.

TheEternalOptimist · 16/07/2012 22:23

MrsMop
BF is better for babies than FF, but FF does not raise the risk of cot death by 50%.

When we minimise the risk in this way, we give the impression that it is merely a lifestyle choice, when it is far more than that.

narmada · 16/07/2012 22:31

Lots of babies sleep far better on their tummies. that is not necessarily a good thing. Awakenings are important in young babies - they are protective, or so the evidence suggests. Too deep a sleep possibly, according to the studies, equals a greater risk of breathing issues in young babies.

However....lots of people sleep babies on side or front - their choice and I can totally understand why you would do it. Both mine slept better on their front, especially DC2 whose reflux was more severe.

WHat's all this nonsense about 'politically correct' viewpoints ?!?!? This is not a matter of opinion or moral judgement, but statistical fact. Simple fact is that very young babies who sleep on their fronts are more likely to die from SIDS. It is proven beyond belief. It's not 'politically correct' to state this - it's just the truth...

AmandaLF · 16/07/2012 22:38

My ds sleeps on his side. My mw said just to make sure the bottom arm is pulled through to reduce the risk of him rolling onto his front.

Like spammertime though, I've got a movement monitor and I sleep much better.

mrsmopsmissingmojo · 16/07/2012 22:46

Well perhaps it would be better to read a whole thread then before jumping in?!

If you read my previous posts my stand point is very clear from the Start. However what a lot of people have failed to notice is that the original post was asking opinion on what have you done? It wasn't asking for a statistical analysis which any of us could google!

I explained my reasoning for side and tummy sleeping and in my situation I considered it the safer and better option.

This wasn't just an easy option can't be bothered attitude. It was a considered one. I am allowed to make that call am I not?

TheEternalOptimist · 16/07/2012 22:53

"Hi, DS, 6 weeks old, will only seem to settle to sleep on his side. Can anyone please point me in the direction of any evidence for this being dangerous?"

Was the question in the OP, Mrs Mops. I don't think that it is fair to jump on PickledLily for answering that question.

The OP asked if babies were still recommended to be placed on their backs, the answer to that is yes.

Some posters have then given their opinions, and their experiences.

The OP is the mother of a young baby and should know the full story. That, although some people do not follow the current recommendation and their children have been fine, there is a higher risk in doing this.

mrsmopsmissingmojo · 16/07/2012 23:06

There's no point arguing with a pro mner! I definitely won't win! She did ask does anyone let their baby sleep on their side all the time? To which my answer was yes! So am I not allowed to answer?

Surely she should make up her own mind and not be bullied into making the decision. Any caring person would look at all the facts and weigh it up against all sorts of things. I certainly did!

I never said don't bother with "back to sleep" protocol, I was simply giving my Situation. And explaining it doesn't always work for everyone. Like all sorts if things in parenting what's right for one patent us not right for another.

mrsmopsmissingmojo · 16/07/2012 23:07

And that would quite obviously be parent!

TheEternalOptimist · 16/07/2012 23:26

Erm, what the hell is a pro MNer?

You jumped on another poster for answering a question in the OP. I never said that you are not entitled to your opinion.

The only reason I posted was that the first few responses to the OP were people saying that they put their babies to sleep on their side or stomach, and I felt that this was giving the impression that the recommendations were no longer valid.

I am not bullying anyone, least of all the OP. All I am trying to do is give the OP (and any lurkers) the full facts.

Yes, some people put their children on their sides or back to sleep (as I did, when I was in the room with them) but it is not recommended and every parent needs to make that decision.

I would not be comfortable putting a child down to sleep on its back or side, because I would a) worry and b) not be able to live with the consequences of my actions should the child die.

It is like putting a seat belt on a child. Research has shown it saves lives. Of course some kids don't like being strapped into a car seat, but we do it cause it is safer.

mrsmopsmissingmojo · 16/07/2012 23:33

I can see your point very clearly but I don't think you've understood mine at all.

TheEternalOptimist · 16/07/2012 23:38

Your point is that parents have to make the decision themselves? And that sometimes they decide that it is better for the child to sleep on the side?

I understand your point, if that is what you mean.

I don't understand why you are irate at me for pointing out that this is only one side of the argument, and that it is important that new parents are in possession of the full facts before making such an important decision.

Sossiges · 16/07/2012 23:56

Hey, new parents, current advice is that you put your baby to sleep on his/her back.
Now we've got that out of the way, my dd wouldn't sleep on her back but only propped up on her side (also had mucus after birth). After that she had a lot of wind and would only go to sleep on a pillow Shock.

Saritabean · 16/07/2012 23:59

To continue the anecdotal answers...!:

My DD was prem and used to sleep on her back no probs in the neonatal unit. When she came home, within a week or so she just wouldn't seem settled on her back- would cry and writhe and wake all the time, we tried her on her tummy during the day, and she slept so much more peacefully, so we ended up doing it at night too, for both our sakes. She has really good head control and turns her head from side to side easily, and can also use her legs well to push herself up the bed. She's only 9 weeks corrected.

We know the relative risk is higher, but the absolute risk is still low, and as her sleep and overall settledness is such a priority to help her grow and develop, we decided that it was worth the risk...

Hope you are feeling more able to make an informed choice OP! Wink

Butterflyface · 17/07/2012 10:16

From what I understand of the thread so far, I think there's been some misunderstanding going on - am I right in thinking mrsmop that your children have either self-taught themselves or have had to sleep on their sides for different reasons - a couple because of reflux, one for breathing problems etc?
I think with all the literature and talks that new parents are given over the risks of cot death, one would have to be a very blasé parent to escape the information that babies are safest lying on their backs. But the OP's actual question was about the safety of allowing them to sleep on their side. I've had both back sleepers, side sleepers and front sleepers. Some have co-slept, all have eventually gone into a cot. Mrsmop is right to say that you can't be there all night every night to see if your baby stays on it's back, and yes, it is up to you as to whether you want to disturb your baby's sleep to get them back on to their back, or to allow them to sleep undisturbed on their side. However we ALL agree that, theoretically, in a perfect world, we would have our babies' on their back all the time. But there are those of us (strangely enough, it seems to be the ones who've had more children than the norm of 1 or 2), who've had experience where to leave the child to sleep peacefully is a more practical way of dealing with life with a small child.
As always, no one is wrong, no one is right, but OP, you must do what you feel is right for you and DS. With my first, I tried (and failed) to get her to sleep on her back, ending up with co-sleeping with her to ensure this happened, meaning I got no sleep because I was perpetually paranoid that she would asphixiate. With DC4, I co-slept again, but bolstered him either side to prevent rollovers. Once he got to rolling over by himself though, there was no stopping him. Now this is a baby who doesn't like being on his back for a nappy change, let alone for a whole night's sleep. Now he's 19 months, sometimes in the bed, sometimes out, but he'll sleep in ALL sorts of positions, even face down, bum in the air!

Of course you should know the facts and figures, as with any major decision in parenting, but you need to make an informed decision as to what is more important - an undisturbed sleep (and subsequent routine that will likely come of it) and to take the risk of sleeping on his side, or to reduce that risk totally but drive yourself barmy with lack of sleep? :o

smk84 · 17/07/2012 19:39

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS, I HAVE ONLY 1 LEFT HAND TO TYPE WITH SO WILL REPLY PROPERLY AS SOON AS I CAN TYPE FASTER THAN SNAIL'S PACE !

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PickledLily · 17/07/2012 20:41

Wow, it's clearly been a busy day! And I missed it all Grin

Ironically, I've been failing trying to get my baby to nap/sleep for most of today. For the time being, she's obeying FSID guidelines and lying on her back although to be honest, if she'd fallen asleep standing on her head with her feet in the air I'd have been delighted (she's having a 4 month sleep regression)

Anyway, I hope this thread has helped you OP!

smk84 · 17/07/2012 20:55

Yes thank you, it has really helped to hear that I am not the only one facing the dilemma of what to do. I knew on back was the safest, but it is really hard when you are exhausted and you know that no-one will get much sleep if he goes on his back. Having said that the bottom line is that he would be safer on his back, and we would probably never forgive ourselves if anything happened to him. I really do understand why it's such a personal decision for everyone. I went on the FSID website, and it talks a lot about how much safer back sleeping is compared to front, but doesn't say much about back vs side, so I am still hoping to find a bit more evidence about that (the stuff that's on the FSID site seems to cite studies done on preemies, and just mention that there is more of a risk of rolling onto front if placed on side, and that propping to prevent this could increase risk of overheating, which is again a risk factor for SIDS) I know one of you (gotta go back to check) mentioned that side is less risky than front, but more risky than back, so I'd like to try to find some evidence on that somewhere. Someone else also metioned a NZ website about matress wrapping - I tried to find a picture of what this actually meant but still don't really know what it is !
I have noticed that some of this thread has become 'a bit' heated ! This is obviously a controversial subject, and I did ask for anecdotal evidence, and i meant to ask for actual evidence on risk of back vs side, but I am not sure that came across clearly in my original post. have more to post, but need to feed DS again .....

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Fcas · 17/07/2012 22:16

As above, the advice is to lay them on their back.
As soon as my DS started to roll he gradually moved to sleeping on his side, then at 6 months sleeping on his front.
There is only so much moving them back onto their back you can do.

I invested in a tomee tippee sensor mat, one word AMAZING! Having had SIDS previously in the family it gave me the piece of mind I needed.

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