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At a loss - 6mo sleep getting worse and worse

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porpentine · 11/06/2012 16:21

I've had good advice on here before and am feeling a bit desperate today so would really appreciate any advice anyone has. A bit long, sorry.

DS slept pretty well, barring terrible wind, until he was 4 months-ish and since then it's been pretty consistently crap with odd brief patches of improvement that never last.

Our main problem is naps I think, in that it's very difficult to get him to sleep for more than 35-40 mins at a time (used to be 45-50). One day last week he had an hour in the morning, two over lunch and half an hour mid-afternoon and slept 730-4 that night (4-6 was pretty shaky, but still), so I'm fairly sure the main thing is that he's chronically overtired. He also seems to be able to stay awake for much less time than other babies his age without getting overtired - the ONLY time he'll sleep more than 40 mins without me patting him back to sleep is if he goes down pretty much 1h50 after waking. I try to get him to sleep at 9, 12ish and then 4ish. Normally I lie in wait at the 40 minute mark and start patting the second he opens his eyes to extend his naps - initially quite successful, this has been getting less and less easy and yesterday didn't work at all. Even with this, he won't sleep more than 2x40mins, so I've been trying to top up his lunchtime nap by feeding him back to sleep (normally he goes to sleep on his own) but this was making him reluctant to sleep in his cot so I stopped. Think he's trying to drop his late afternoon nap, which is fine because even if only 20 mins he won't go down til 730 and since he never wakes up later than 530 I don't think it's enough sleep. Without it, he's always overtired before bedtime and wakes up multiple times (sometimes hourly) before midnight.

Other problems: he's been waking 5 or 530 and only occasionally will be patted back to sleep (for 40 mins, natch). I got blackout blinds a month ago and this helped a bit (it was getting to be before 5), but so far making sure he doesn't nap before 9am hasn't done much. He usually wakes up between 2-5 times before this, so as you can imagine I'm pretty tired.

Rolling: he sleeps on his tummy, but when unsettled compulsively rolls over and won't go to sleep on his back (he can't yet roll back the other way). We used to be able to leave him in his cot at bedtime and he'd coo a bit and go off to sleep in his own time, but now you either have to dash in every 5 minutes or just sit with him. I'm worried not only that this is eroding his ability to self-settle, but that he thinks its a game... It also means that when he wakes up I have to sleep with my arm clamped over his body so he doesn't roll over. The hours from 4ish to 6ish are pretty much always like this, as if I remove my arm he wakes instantly, so again not much sleep. I was considering just leaving him to get on with it (and did so this lunchtime), but can't really face the crying and know it means he'll have a terrible night. On the other hand, he's lying next to me now rubbing his eyes (3 x 35 minute naps today) so it's going to be awful anyway.

I don't really want to do anything involving lots of crying, because I think he basically can self-settle so it would be pointless, and also the main problem is daytime naps anyway so I'd rather fix that but can't see how to do so. I was thinking of feeding-back-to-sleep as my nuclear option (he hasn't fed to sleep since he was 4 weeks old) but it seems like a step backwards and also I'm not convinced it works very well.

Phew, that was long. Would really, really appreciate any advice - I'm at the end of my tether a bit today and have already shouted at him this morning - feel horrible.

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zambooloo · 11/06/2012 20:21

Well I'm sorry to say I don't really have anything helpful to add but I really sympathise. I'm totally in the same boat sleep wise especially with the daytime naps. After 1/2hr when she always wakes I end up rocking her back off & sitting in the dark in her room with her until she is fast asleep then transferring to cot!

I'll be watching thread to see if anyone has any suggestions!

fififrog · 11/06/2012 20:34

Hiya, your post could have been about my DD, only the rolling was back to tummy, and it sounds like your DS wakes less often during the night.

So I don't know what of my tale will sound like good news and what bad... Re bedtime, we did a shortened gradual withdrawal process. Started by just sitting with her in silence no eye contact. Then we had nowhere to withdraw to other than out the door, so out the door it was after a couple of weeks. This also helped considerably with self-settling at night. Though at the same time we started the sleep training, she started rolling finally, so that probably helped too.

Re rolling I really do suggest you just let him stay on his back. He will learn soon (even if it feels like a million years, DD took 8 weeks). When I stopped tolling her back it actually made things a little easier.

Re unsettled mornings I wish I had good news - TBH they have continued, she's now 14.5 months and is an early riser (5.30 on ave) though often squeaks at about 4.30 and sometimes doesn't seem to settle properly again. I wish you better luck than us!

Re naps: we never managed to break that cycle til she one day dropped from 4x30-45 down to two naps, almost overnight. It took me a week of her barely napping at all to realise. Don't worry about other babies, there are plenty of short nappers out there and you will find he suddenly extends to 3 or 4 hours between naps when he's ready. My DD did this at 6 months. I also did backwards-progress feed to sleep for a few weeks, combined with pushchair naps. It didn't end up a long-term problem. DD's naps were still short and she didn't really crack long naps til she dropped to one nap at 13 months, so I've done plenty of rocking back to sleep etc too - you have mysympathy!

WillSingForCake · 11/06/2012 20:42

How's weaning going? My DD was exactly the same with regards to short naps, but as soon as she started eating decent amounts of solids her naps extended. She still sometimes wakes after 45 mins or so, has a little whinge & then goes back to sleep again.

porpentine · 12/06/2012 07:53

Gosh fifi, that long? I keep muttering to myself 'It'll all be over by Christmas'. Waking more often in the night though, that must have been terrible, massive respect. I think you're right about the rolling, though last night I was too cowardly to attempt it. The 530 thing - I think I could manage it better if he didn't get up beforehand. Does your DD at least sleep through until then? (fingers crossed). I've heard before that it only really improves a bit when they have a single nap, which then lengthens - only seven months to go then. DId it help her nights? Thanks v much for the long reply, it's definitely massively helpful to hear from someone who's been through (still in?) it. Sometimes I think I read these boards and sleep books and think, all sleep problems are fixable so why can't I fix his? But maybe that's just how he is.

Always nice to know other people struggle with naps, I tend to enviously assume most people just pop their babies down and off they go for the mythical two hour lunchtime nap.

Weaning: we've started, but are doing mostly finger food so difficult to gauge how much is going in (from the contents of the nappies, quite a lot). Am not very consistent about when I feed him though, so maybe if I pegged them to naps that might help a bit?

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fififrog · 12/06/2012 22:39

Hiya, it all depends on your expectations and I'm not sure what yours are, so I was trying not to 'spin'!

I would class DD as a decent sleeper nowadays, and probably from about the 10month point. If she wakes in the night she goes back to sleep. I've only been into her once since the start of the year. She settles easily at 7pm for bed. Napwise she settles in her cot, usually within 10mins and sleeps for normally 1.5 hours. The only gripe I have is the early waking, but TBH I just don't think she needs 12 hours sleep. I'd rather she woke at 5.30 than went to bed at 9pm.

The nap thing probably sounded worse than I intended. Some people aren't happy unless their kid naps for 2 hours. At 7 months I was still struggling with the short naps. I'd hover over her and shush her back to sleep and I generally got 2x50mins. Things gradually got easier and by about 10minths she had a pattern of 1.5hours-2hours total, usually one of 30-45 mins, one of an hour, with little intervention required.

Five months was the absolute pits in this household. I am sure things will begin to ease up for you now. Routine definitely gets easier as they start eating and drop some of the naps.

Best of luck!

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