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7 month old wakes constantly

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martmum · 10/06/2012 20:00

New to mumsnet : ) Hi

Hoping for tips/help/support!

Our & mpnth old baby has always been a bad sleeper. She was diagnosed with reflux when small and at first we took turns holding her, she wouldnt sleep lying down at all. Gradually got her to lie down, sleeping with her. At 6 months put her into own room as I had insomnia and we weren't sleeping well together. At first it went well. Well for us anyway! She'd go down around 7ish, wake at 8 - need settling back, again at 9. But then some nights from 9 she did stretches like til 11 or even on a good night til 1! She had also begun managing to settle herself back to sleep a little bit. You'd hear her stir and cry and think here we go, and then she'd go quiet again. She'd usually end up in with me towards morning but I was happy with this, I thought the gaps would slowly stretch out. And we had an evening which was nice. But the last month or so she's got worse and worse. Now she goes down at 7 and by 7.30 she's awake, arms flying about, crying out (she doesn't really cry it's more confused, can't get back to sleep, whinging, it's distressed sounding but not fulll on crying!) She can hardly go half an hour and by 10 we've given up and she's in with me. But co-sleeping doesn't work well for us. We're both very unsettled. And my husband has to sleep downstairs so I'm coping with the endless settling.

We don't want to leave her to cry. We try and re-settle without picking her up but it doesn't work. Only picking her up sends her back to sleep and sometimes we're rocking and singing and playing the hairdryer for ages (she likes white noise). Othertimes she falls asleep the minutes she's in your arms but it's a battle to get her into the cot. She wakes as soon as you put her in, or within half an hour tops. I've bought a humidifier so we'll try that. She's often got a bit of a cough or slightly congested breathing. But she's not ill. And I've tried calpol before bed once, just to see is it teething pain. But she was the same.

We've been told by our Hv don't take her in with us but you get to a point where you have to lie down. We've also been told not to pick her up but it's the only way to send her back to sleep. We've also been told to wait til she really cries but she's so hard to settle back if you leave her til then. She's really awake by then. They say put the baby down awake but we never had a baby you could do that with. She just lay there like 'what am I doing here?'. I realise she may be dependant on being held to sleep because we did that at the beginning, but everytime you put her down she woke and wouldn't settle back so what else were we supposed to do!?

We have a good routine, we have had for months. And as I say she goes down fine.We've read the no cry sleep solution. I guess we do a version of the pantley dance, for any one that knows that book!

Anyhow....I think we just have to keep on trucking and it will change. But wondered if anyone recognises any of this or has come out the other side! It's hard work at the moment

xx

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martmum · 10/06/2012 20:01

I meant 7 month old baby!

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martmum · 10/06/2012 20:03

As we put her in own room at 6 months and she's now just over 7...I guess it was going well for about 10 days/2 weeks and getting more rubbish since then!

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Allyinoz · 11/06/2012 01:06

Yes I recognise it and would like the answer please!

I have a 4.5 DS and and 8 month DD. I know that eventually it gets better, but it's a long time to wait. Babies drive me mad. They are so tiring. I am going into a supported unit where nurses help teach you, to teach your baby to sleep. Is there anything like that where you live?

ASillyPhaseIAmGoingThrough · 11/06/2012 01:12

My oldest was like that, she grew out of it by two. Followed hv advice etc, she just grew out of it one day. Some babies are just hard work.

ASillyPhaseIAmGoingThrough · 11/06/2012 01:20

I know it is exhausting when you get disturbed sleep and have to function in day. Can you do till say 3am and fb do from 3am then you can get sleep too.

ASillyPhaseIAmGoingThrough · 11/06/2012 01:20

Dh not fb

Rollerbaby · 11/06/2012 03:43

Reflux babies have terrible sleep patterns generally due to learned behaviour when they were suffering. If it's under control the only way is to do sleep training which I am literally doing now!! It's hard but constant sleep deprivation is worse. Id listen to your hv and grit your teeth. It may take a few nights.

shufflebum · 11/06/2012 04:41

Is her reflux under control because if not she will be waking through pain. I say this with a 9 month old refluxer in my arms at the moment!

Catsu · 11/06/2012 04:52

Is it def Reflux? Sounds v similar to dd who is 9 months and has a cows milk allergy. She is only sleeping better since we've cut it out completely (under guidance of hospital dietician). Symptoms can be similar to reflux in young babies...

martmum · 11/06/2012 08:04

Yes don't know if still has it. We went to see a cranial osteopath as there's a low cost clinic near us. She said it could be reflux or could be bad habits built when she had reflux. She wasn't classis reflux as wasn't sick loads. But would do an acidy face when lied flat. So who knows. Not even certain she had it in first place. Way she behaves in night doesn't sound like pain but to be honest I waited for the day when I understood her every cry and I still don't! I don't know what's up!

I realise some babies just hard work was just hoping for tips or reassurance really. I'll see if theres a sleep place near us. Never heard of it! I can't bring self to do crying training but could try gradual retreat type thing.

I think she is teething too

Thanks for responses! Good to hear from people going through similar

Xx

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martmum · 11/06/2012 08:38

Shufflebum can I ask what signs you recognise of reflux in your baba? Curious.

In response to asillyphase... He takes her in morning when he does a late shift but when he's on earlys it's v hard. He can't really sleep with her. Doesn't work for him. But he takes her from waking at around 5.30 when he's on a late.

Catsu what was baby doing to find out bout allergy?

Xx

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Sal41 · 11/06/2012 12:55

Hiya, I haven't been on here for a while but am looking for the answer to your question! My 8.5 month old has never slept through and wakes anywhere between 3 to 10 times a night, I cosleep, he also suffers with reflux but in the last 2 months has been able to lie down to sleep. In the last 2 weeks however, he has decided to wake up at 1.30 and stay awake for anywhere between 1-4 hours! It is hell! He just lies there sometimes wide awake. Is this just a phase. I love cosleeping and he's such a lovely temperament i would hate to put him in his own room as i don't think it would help. He has been sleeping well in the day time, 2 naps between 2 -3 hours between them and has recently cut out his late afternoon nap which was only 30 mins anyway. If anyone has the answer let us know ha! But if not, just thought i'd let you know there are lots of people in the same boat! Grab sleep any time!

martmum · 11/06/2012 17:08

Yes I feel your pain! Our baby has started being awake for about 2 hours right in the middle of the night.

For me the prob with grabbing sleep anytime is I've become so fixated on sleep who's sleeping, her sleeping, me getting enough sleep, what tomorrow will be like if i dont sleep etc that I actually have insomnia :( Often times when she finally sleeps I can't.

But somehow it will all be ok in the end!

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Catsu · 11/06/2012 22:22

Dds symptoms of the milk allergy are a rash on her cheeks snd chin, very mucasy and sometimes sick at night usually.
Very bad sleeping, only sleeping well upright or on me, inpossible to get into cot once asleep without waking up!
Wheezy and chesty and always scratching at herself and wriggling as if itchy/uncomfortable.
Hv referred us to dietician who hasn't actually done any tests but said it sounds like classic reaction to milk. On her guidance I've cut out all dairy (I'm bf'ing), we are following a strict low allergy food plan for dd and have neocate formula on prescription for the odd bottle and on cereal/in cooking. Dd is a different child without dairy, it's an amazing turnaround, even sleeping a lot better (although has got ib the habit of not needing much sleep I think!)

Suckeddry · 12/06/2012 04:12

Catsu_ out of interest what does your low allergy food plan involve? DS has reflux & I've gone dairy & soy free but something is still upsetting him.

His rash & mucous problems have gone but I've been up since 2am with him vomiting, wriggling scratching himself. He's obviously in pain & I'm sure it's something I've eaten Sad

Catsu · 12/06/2012 13:04

How old is your ds? Is he on solids?
The low allergy food diet is for dd, I've just cut out dairy (and quite strictly, there's lots of hidden dairy in things like biscuits etc)
Dd was 8 months when we started the food plan. First we cut out all food completely. As although we'd cut out dairy she was still uncomfortable. The idea was that the dairy had irritated her body so much that now all food was causing discomfort. So just bf'ing for 2 weeks (which was actually easier than when she was on food as she slept better!), then 2 weeks on just root veg and fruit, then 2 weeks on fruit, veg, plus some meats like lamb, turkey, chicken and pork and now we are on 2 weeks of all that plus oats and rice.
Next will be trying soya (she seems fine with me eating soya, but gets belly ache if I eat lots of wheat, so we are trying soya first although I think usually it would be the other way round!)
She will not have eggs, nuts, wheat, dairy, or fish for a while yet! Eggs, nuts and dairy particularly will be avoided until she is well over a year.
Hope that helps!

Iggly · 12/06/2012 13:34

Reflux is probably the main problem. Both of mine have has it (DD is 6 months). If its not controlled by meds, or by dietary changes, sleep won't improve.

I went on a total elimination diet for about 2 weeks then reintroduced foods to check for reactions. Tomatoes, onions, chocolate, soya and dairy were all culprits.

I have to be very careful weaning. Reflux babies tend to have more sensitive digestive systems anyway so windy veg is out, citrus is out until 9-12 months, no dairy or soya until 12 months etc. this sort of bland diet did wonders for DS so I'll have to do the same for DD.

Also what's the day sleep like?

Suckeddry · 12/06/2012 18:21

Thanks catsu_ DS is only 9 weeks and having lots of tummy trouble which I think is related to my diet (am BF). He's had green poos all week poor thing & I think it's egg related.

I've cut out dairy & soy for his reflux as suggested by the paediatrician. I'm a coeliac anyway so wheat & gluten free. I was wondering what low allergen foods were, so that's useful thank you.

martmum · 12/06/2012 19:37

Day sleep is changeable. It was there when tiny, then non existent, then around 5 months she did start napping but you had to do lots of persuasion. Just recently it's really improved. Literally last week. Although last 2 days been rubbish again. Even when she naps well in day it doesn't seem to have good impact on night sleep. Although naps not been good for long enough to tell.

Sadly we stopped bf at 4.5 months after a massive battle to continue, long story, so it can't be related to my diet. Yes the osteopath told me to just feed 1 food type for a few days and see how she reacts and then try another and so on. I haven't been that religious about it but sounds like I should try harder...

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