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Those who didn't "sleep train" your dcs, when did they start to self settle?

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MeeWhoo · 16/05/2012 09:41

I haven't done any sort of sleep training with my 7.5 mo ds, and I would like to have a general idea of when to expect him to start self settling.

I am particularly interested in those with dcs who usually fell asleep on the boob

TIA

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Meggymoodle · 17/05/2012 12:45

Hi, we didn't really sleep train DS and he fell asleep on the boob until about 10 months for night time sleep. Naps, we did a bit of sleep training. With the night time sleep I just started putting him down awake and he was fine with it but I think it totally depends on the child. DD never fell asleep on the boob and she started self-settling nicely for bedtime at about 6 months.

GEM33 · 17/05/2012 14:38

I am so interested in this thread would like to hear more - some of you may have seen my have i done the right thing thread - i am caught between 2 thoughts, leave my 6 month old to carry on co sleeping and fallling asleep on my boob (she needs me for every nap and every sleep) and the second thought, stop this now for everyones sake, do sleep training stick to it and maybe it will help dd in the long run. still not sure.
will read everyones answers eagerly.

DuelingFanjo · 17/05/2012 14:39

My DS is 17 months and still falls asleep on the boob, or he has boob then falls asleep on me.

5madthings · 17/05/2012 14:44

marking my place and will be back later, we didnt sleep train any of our 5 and they all got there!

5madthings · 17/05/2012 15:24

ok ds1 was and still is a crap sleeper but he is 12 now and so doesnt disturb us unless ill etc, he can get up and have a drink of water etc, when he was little he would bfeed to sleep etc, by 12-18mths he would go down awake and we would sit by him till he went to sleep, after 18mths he would just go down and we would say goodnight and re settle if necessary.

ds2 fed to sleep for ages, he bfed till almost 4yrs, slept in our bed until 2yrs, but from 8mths ish i would feed him to sleep and then come back downstairs, if we woke i or dp would re settle him, he gradually got used to having a feed but coming off sleepy but awake and settling on his own so by 18mths ish i would feed him and leave him and he would go off to sleep on his own.

ds3 was the same as ds2 :)

ds4 self settled from about 3mths! he sucks his thumb and has a blanket that comforts him.

dd is 17mths and has self settled from about 10mths she has a dummy and a cuddly lamb and i tuck her in give her dummy and lamb and she goes off to sleep.

we never left them to cry or did any sleep training but we were always very boring at bed/night time and did the minimal to settle them, so feeding when little then shushh and pat etc or laid by them sat on the edge of the bed etc we would offer reassurance and comfort but no playing etc. just the same calm boring message that it was bedtime and time to sleep!

it was a very gradual process with each of them tbh, but we were always consistent in keeping things low key, quiet and it was dark etc, put them back to bed repeatedly if we had to, cuddles and feed if needed, but a gradual withdrawl and reassurance until they just very gradually got used to self settling.

MeeWhoo · 18/05/2012 08:33

Thanks a lot everyone for your replies, looks like we still have a while to go yet then! Wink

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chocciechip · 18/05/2012 14:47

DD (8months now) used to only fall asleep on the boob and if she didn't it could be up to an hour of rocking and crying. And hours through the night too. I was in a real state.

I deliberately broke the feed connection by starting a little bedtime routine.

At about 6pm she got a bath, little massage while I moisturised her, then between 6.30 and 7pm I take her upstairs to bed and BF her. I don't let her suckle for comfort. If she stops swallowing, I sit her up leaning against me and read her a story (Snuggle Bunny in our case). The story is dragged out with improvisations until she starts making sleepy gestures (anything like eye rubbing, stretching, tossing head, ear pulling etc). The story is rapidly finished, then I stand before the window and we wave goodnght to everything outside and slowly calmly shut the blinds. I then sit back down with her and gently rock her and cuddle her and kiss her head (but sitting, not standing) and I have our little seahorse playing tunes on her lap. I keep telling her its time to sleep and softly say sshh shhh. She twiddles with the seahorses fins and tosses her head around a bit. The moment she rubs her eyes hard or stretches, I take her to her cot and lie her down. She has a sleepytot bunny in there which she reaches for. No conversation or eye contact at this point. I then walk out the room and leave her with the seahorse playing out its tunes at her feet.

If she cried I'd go back in and revert to old fashioned rocking.

The first time she went to sleep by herself (it was a while before she did it - not that long though) without me needing to go back and rock her, I was utterly gobsmacked and thought it wouldn't happen again. But it did, every single night without fail since.

She now gets very sleepy almost as soon as I start the story.

However she did still wake through the night and we couldn't self-settle her the same way in the middle of the night.

What I did here was introduce one bottle of formula in the middle of the night whenever she woke up, and DH gave it to her so she didn't smell me. (This was actually on paed advice because I was staunch BF and she had tummy problems - I would never have done it unless told to by a Paed and boy, do I wish I'd started it when we started solids!)). On desparete nights when she woke several times, DH would either rock her, or we'd relent and I'd give her a quick feed to get her back to sleep. I continued to BF as usual when she woke up, through the day and that last before story feed.

We did not wake her for a feed - she only got it if she woke and asked for it so the time varied. It could be 11pm (we never gave it earlier than that) or it could be 2-3am). We were just at the point when we were wondering if she was now waking because she had become used to calories in the night, and wondering if we needed to start cutting down the feed to wean her off it, when - ten days ago - she suddenly slept through the night! So she had no feed that night, and we decided to not give her formula in any subsequent nights if she woke up. To date (touch wood) she has slept through every night so formula is out and I'm back to BF'ding - but now none of the feeds are linked to sleep.

A couple of nights ago we woke to hear her playing with toys in her cot in the middle of the night, and sort of whinging quietly - not crying. We really didn;t know what to do - but decided to leave her. She just went back to sleep. So that's the way we'll play it going forwards as well.

(Daytime naps are our next challenge - at the moment only if she's in the pram, car or being held!).

I have no idea why the routine worked, but I think it is about an hour of totally relaxing very calm time for her, so she gets very very chilled which is key to relaxing her before sleep. I've also wondered if - accidentally - her sleepytot bunny in her cot is seen as an extension of snuggle bunny who she enjoyed in the story. I also think that I enjoy that time with her, so she picks up on that too.

I did not do 'cry it out' or anything close to it - simply could not do it and was in a state because was starting to think that would be my only choice. I think my advice would be to try be calm and very patient about it, and believe in your heart that it will happen eventually, and stick rigourously to your calm chill out routine every night until it suddenly happens. Whatever she loves and calms her, weave that into the routine. (For example, 'The Solar System' song on Youtube, as well as 'Twinkle twinkle' and 'little Snowflake' (the last two being Super Simple Learning songs) are often played to her before her bath if she seems especially 'unsleepy'. She loves them and they're almost 'hypnotic'.

Very good luck. It will happen!

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