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1 yo twins - waking up at 3am for 2 hours for 2 weeks & still waking at 6am. At wits end!

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zaarin2003 · 14/05/2012 14:15

Hi all,

The title says it all really. Our twin boys have sometimes been a bit tricky with sleep. For whatever reason, whether it was our initial policy of rocking them to sleep when they were younger or something else, they now find it impossible to self settle at night.

During the day the problem isn't too bad - they can be left sometimes to go to sleep themselves at nap time in the morning or afternoon and sometimes you can sing them to sleep over the monitor without too much fuss. Sometimes. If intervention is needed we find they can be soothed with a gentle hand rubbing the back for a few minutes. But during the night it is a totally different story.

Strangely, despite how much easier it can be during the day, if either twin wakes during the night or otherwise starts grumbling/crying over the monitor, they cannot be left to self sooth and cannot be sung to sleep over the monitor. At best, by placing a hand on their backs and rubbing or gently rocking them as we do during the day, we can only relax them into a quiet, deep breathing, semi-sleep state - but it doesn't get them to sleep in under an hour or two. During that time, certainly if they are left alone and even if you simply stop moving your hand on their back before they are fully asleep(even whilst still keeping it there), they will grumble and then quickly begin to cry themselves into a stupor.

Up until 2 weeks ago, if they woke during the night, it might take only 10-30mins to gently stroke them back to sleep, before creeping out of their room as quietly as possible, and they might only require this maybe once or twice a night at say 2am and/or maybe 3 or 4am. Annoying and tiring when it's been disrupting sleep day in day out for the last few months, but totally manageable as it is often resolved quickly.

However, for the last 2 weeks, one twin in particular has taken to waking at any time between 2am and 4am and not going back to sleep for about 2 hours. Last night it was to the minute, 2:11 until 4:11. Rubbing the boy's back will mean he at least goes quiet, lying on his front and appearing as if he is drifting off to sleep. But no matter how long you do this for, stop doing it and he'll labour to sit up (clearly dead tired) and start crying. Invariably it'll take about 2 hours before the rocking actually sends him off to slumber. He is still waking at 6am as usual, which doesn't help our sanity.

We are not believers in letting a baby cry (although we have done for a few minutes just to get some rest) - but regardless, even if we were, doing this would only result in the other twin waking up, which makes things worse.

We've tried bringing him into our room, but he just fidgets and moans. We tried giving him water last night (figuring he may be thirsty as we recently were able to finally drop the 10pm feed), but as it still took two hours to settle him again, there is no reason to think it had any benefit. They were teething a couple of weeks ago, but show none of the signs during the day.

In summary, for two weeks one twin is unsettled to the point of crying for around two hours in the early hours of the morning, night after night, with the only thing preventing him screaming the house down being to rub his back, which during the day and at bed time sends him to sleep, and which we cannot stop doing, even for a minute, without him crying again. All this until he goes back to sleep within about 2 hours.

We'd love some advice or even just to hear that this is a phase which he will grow out of!

Thanks in advance

Matt

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Iggly · 14/05/2012 14:57

Have you tried putting the cot next to your bed so when twin wakes up, you can stick your arm in and rub his back without getting up?
It seems as if he's having some sort of developmental leap or something which has woken him and now he's used to waking at that time. I so dee if you put him to bed earlier by about 45 mins after getting him outside I fresh air to run him ragged would help? Could try for a few days? Also try the 10pm feed again? How are day naps?

zaarin2003 · 14/05/2012 15:29

We haven't tried that - but the problem is not that we have to get out of bed at 3am, its that we have to be awake to stroke him at 3am for 2 hours. Whether we are out or in bed doesn't really matter if we're awake and getting no sleep.

Also, its very difficult to leave their room without making creaking or other noise which wakes them up. Sometimes just the clicking of joints does it! So it would be very difficult for them to sleep with our squeeky floorboards and bed in our room.

Thanks
Matt

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Iggly · 14/05/2012 15:38

Oh I think if you're lying down its marginally better! How about sleeping in their room and putting the good sleeper in yours?
Do try early bedtime - maybe reset the body clock. Ds has woken like that in the night but only when he was overtired from missing all day naps. Oh and when he was learning to wave. His brain couldn't seem to switch off.

zaarin2003 · 14/05/2012 19:28

I think that may be it. Possibly brain development is causing this?

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PestoPenguin · 14/05/2012 19:38

Urgh, you must be knackered!! I've never had twins, but do have 3 DCs and hased on my limited experience I'd say that sometime in the second year is a classic time for these sorts of shennanigans Sad. I've had one that was a bit like you describe, one that woke hourly and wanted breastfeeding all night, and one who threw tantrums at 3am deliberately trying to wake everyone else Hmm. It's all so hard to cope with in the early hours when you just want to sleep.

Could you divide and conquer? One of you each sleep with one twin in separate rooms? I agree that patting a back lying down will be more restful than getting up. If it were me I'd probably fall asleep doing that.

Could they be cold, hungry, thirsty, uncomfortable somehow?

What about trying a later bedtime?

I hope things improve soon. Whatever happens, it WILL pass, one way or another.

loveisagirlnameddaisy · 14/05/2012 23:23

It might be helpful if you look at overall sleep in a 24 hour period. Waking for a long period in the night can be caused by undertiredness - which can be caused by daytime naps being too long or at the 'wrong' times. All children are different which is why one twin is more affected than the other.

How many naps are they taking and for how long?

Iggly · 15/05/2012 05:16

13 month sleep regression

BranchingOut · 15/05/2012 09:08

I suspect that they probably don't need a morning and an afternoon nap. Maybe just one nap?

But sympathies anyway. My son would sometimes randomly wake up for 2 hours in the middle of the night around that age. He did stop doing it so it won't last forever.

CervixWithASmile · 15/05/2012 09:16

If the waking is at a very specific time then one option is to set your alarm for about 20 minutes before this. Go in while he's still asleep and gently shake him without waking fully. The plan is that he then goes back into his deeper sleep cycle and misses waking at the specific time he has been. I think it can take a few goes to break the original habit.

I think it's called 'wake to sleep' or something like that if you want to google. I know it's a bit hardcore to set your alarm for that time but might be worth a try.

zaarin2003 · 17/05/2012 01:04

Thanks all. We don't think it can be that he's hungry, uncomfortable, etc as his environment hasn't changed and this all started suddenly (as of Monday two weeks ago). Unfortunately he's not waking at a set time sI we can't 'wake to sleep'. Tonight we tried giving him a big dinner (which he ate) and when he woke at 11pm (he's just settled and it's 00:55) we gave him some bottle invade he was still hungry/thirsty despite him having dropped the 10pm feed weeks ago without a problem.

Personally I agree with one of the respondents that maybe he's not needing one of his day sleeps. But I'm reliably informed by his mum (hello, dad on mumsnet) that he's tired by 2pm as usual and gets grouchy until he sleeps about then. I see it myself on weekends. He definitely still needs his day nap. Usually they sleep at 9am and 1pm for about an hour. Maybe the 9am one could/should be dropped at this age?

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CervixWithASmile · 17/05/2012 08:25

I think it's common for the morning nap to be dropped first and most children keep the lunchtime one longer (and if there are any plans for nursery at any point it's usually the lunch nap they maintain too).

loveisagirlnameddaisy · 17/05/2012 11:24

'Most' children of this age have dropped the morning nap although they all vary, of course. I think you may struggle to get him to 1pm with no sleep if he's woken at 6am, and I don't think he's old enough to last on just one sleep of one hour at his age (unless he's a very non-sleepy baby which you'd probably be aware of by now).

What I would do is slowly cut his morning nap down from 1 hour, so start waking him after 45 mins for a few days, then 30 mins, and so on. You might need to put him down for the next nap earlier than 1pm to compensate for this. And hopefully this 1pm nap will lengthen at the same time. I know it sounds mad to remove one nap and add on to the other but it's often not the amount of sleep they have which affects nights but when they have it - IYSWIM?!

An average amount of sleep at this age would be one nap in the middle of the day for about 2 hours. My DD was on a 30 min morning nap and 2 hour lunchtime nap when she eventually dropped her morning nap at 13 mos. She retained the lunchtime nap (it got shorter and shorter leading up to her 2nd birthday) and she dropped it just after she turned 2 - although this is earlier than average. :)

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