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Please help with 22 month old refusing to go to sleep- I'm being driven mad :(

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jumpinghoops · 13/03/2012 21:18

Hi all-

I can imagine to a degree this may be something fairly common but I would really welcome some advice on how to go about making it better.

My 21 month old has generally been quite a good sleeper until now, who always has gone down at 7 with the same bath-milk-stories-bed routine. She slept in a cot until 18 months but is a big girl and kept whacking into the sides of the cot when she turned over at night (and waking up) so at 18 months she moved into a single bed- she kept pointing to the bed and saying 'bed' so we moved her in with a bed guard. All fine for two months. Then she worked out she could get out, I would put her back in but sometimes she would be out and play in her room and fall asleep on her floor at about 8. I would then put her back into the bed.

Then she started coming out of the room. We have silently been taking her back to bed (maybe 20+ times each night). This is getting worse and worse, and later and later and she is flying into an over tired rage, biting herself, pulling her clothes off, hitting me if I come near her to calm her. DP has currently gone in and is trying to settle her.

Things I have tried:

  • putting her back into the cot- she has screamed non-stop. I have left her to it for a while to see if she will settle (for about 15 mins), she won't
  • putting gentle music on and low light
  • shushing her to sleep
  • humming over and over again from outside the door
-tried earlier bedtime to see if the whole thing will be over sooner (no difference) -later bedtime to try and minimise the stress -cutting daytime nap (makes no difference) -thought it might be molars?- tried calpol, no difference

Please help me, I'm starting to dread the evening coming every day.

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Teaandcakeplease · 14/03/2012 07:40

What I would really recommend is that you buy Marc Weissbluth's book, it's called Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child and he has an action plan for almost every sleep related issue from baby to adolescent.

What I did with my son when he began to do this was set up the travel cot, which of course is bigger and said that if he didn't stay in his bed, he would be put in the travel cot and then I followed it through. If that's not for you, you could try a stair gate on her door and removing all toys from her room? Or you need to continue returning her to bed with no eye contact, no speaking, with a bored look in your face over and over again. This approach requires consistency but does work. The other thing I would suggest is a Gro clock and telling her that she cannot get up until the sunshine appears. That works well for my children.

The trouble is once you're completely exhausted it all seems so much worse. Can you reintroduce a nap in the day to help her at this time?

Teaandcakeplease · 14/03/2012 07:41

Can your mum or a friend come and stay whilst you work through these sleep issues?

jumpinghoops · 14/03/2012 10:12

Teaandcake- thank you very much for your help here. I have ordered the book.

I forgot to add last night that I have actually set up the travel cot and told her that if she won't sleep in the bed, she will have to go into the cot. Last night, I then put her in the cot.

She took all of her clothes off and screamed for quite a while. I'm unsure in this situation how long to leave her screaming for before I go in. Perhaps the book will be able to answer this! I would say we left her for about 15 mins but she worked herself up into more of a rage as time went on rather than settling down.

I am thinking maybe if I put her back into sleeping bags, she won't be able to take her clothes off so I might try that combined with cot. I have also ordered the Gro Clock.

Thanks again for your help here.

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smee · 14/03/2012 10:23

This might sound counter intuitive, but I'd reward rather than threaten with travel cot - am not saying that's wrong at all, but she sounds quite feisty and like she's now looking for a fight over it, so maybe you have to surprise her!

I'd say try calm audio books, or get them from the library - say it's a treat (which it is!). Stick to clear rules, so she can have it if she stays in bed and lies quietly. Then just put it on low so she has to lie still to hear it. If she gets out of bed it goes off. Might get you through to an easier pattern.

TheGreatHunt · 14/03/2012 10:28

The book willsuggest you leave them until they fall asleep (I have it).

I'd reinstate the nap.

Also you need to try the same thing for a week really to see any change -'don't give up on one method too quickly.

DS went through a phase like this when we moved him into his bed. I had to tell him it was bedtime and cuddle him so he was relaxed then lights out and into bed. I'd sit next to him and put him back in if he got out - first few times I'd say night then gradually say nothing.

After a week or so he was much better. He goes through phases of not wanting to go to bed but the less attention he gets the better he is at settling down.

TheGreatHunt · 14/03/2012 10:29

Also a sip of camomile tea before bed can help relax them too!

Teaandcakeplease · 14/03/2012 10:30

I tended to leave DS 5 minutes and then say, you can go in the bed if you lie down and go to sleep and if he agreed, then I'd put him back in the bed again. But sometimes I'd then end up returning him to the travel cot again. Every child is different. I suppose also you have to carry out whatever you promised as well for consistency. The trouble is we always feel so so guilty. I have been known to stay with him and calm him down but not return him to the bed as well. So perhaps I'm not the most qualified to suggest things Wink Some of these struggles disappear as they learn to communicate better, so that is something to look forward to.

The book is really good, although rather large.

icravecheese · 14/03/2012 13:10

Hiya,
Sorry, havent had time to read all threads in detail, but just wanted to jot down what the sleep nurse specialist went through with me last wk to help our 3yr old sleep through the night (she has NEVER done it!! lots of times spent in hospital as a baby, so no surprise really as when she should have learnt self settling, she was being poked & prodded!).

Anyhow, the crux of our problem was how we put DD to bed - we would sit with her for the 5mins it took for her to drop off to sleep (she was Sooooo exhausted it wouldn't take long at all). If we didnt sit with her, she would be up, light on, reading books etc until 9pm, when we'd then still have to go back up & sit with her to get her to sleep. She would then be up & in our room / crying out for us up to 5, 6, or 7 times a night. She shares with older bro, plus we have a 5month old, so something had to change!!

The sleep specialist said that, every time she wakes at night, she is trying to recreate how she went to sleep - you know when you wake up in the night & you've no idea if you've been asleep for 10mins or 8 hours... well, DD was waking at whatever time, and immediately wondering where mummy or daddy were, because they were there when she dropped off to sleep! Also, she has a beaker of milk when she goes to bed, which she used to drink with lights out too.

Sleep nurse said its crucial that she falls asleep at bedtime ON HER OWN. She MUST drink her milk with lights on / during stories. Then its lights off, kiss night night, and me / DH leave room. She did say we could do gradual withdrawal - i.e. sit near her 1st 2 nights, bit further away next 2 nights, even further away next few nights, til we're out the door! BUt this is apparently tricky with a child in a bed because they'll just get out of bed / try and engage you in conversation.

So, we went with option 2 (which works from around your DD's age & onwards) - the reward chart method:

(1) Choose 5 things that you KNOW your DD will do properly / nicely eg brush teeth before bed, get into pyjama's nicely, sit & listen to stories nicely etc etc.

(2) Then the 6th thing is: to fall asleep on your own, in your bed, without mummy or daddy sitting with you.

(3) Give a star on the reward chart for each thing that she does properly, telling her that if she falls asleep on her own, she will get a star on her chart & a treat FIRST THING IN MORNING - we give DD 2 mini chocolate eggs with her morning milk (I know, chocolate before brekkie not ideal, but small price to pay for a good nights sleep!).

(4) IF she gets the hang of falling asleep on her own, when she wakes in the night, you should be able to take her straight back to her bed & leave her there for her to fall asleep on her own.

I was VERY sceptical at first - though DD was never going to buy into the idea of reward charts. However, we've done 3 nights of it so far, she's been pretty darn good at it, and has consequently fallen asleep on her own AND stayed in bed all night long! Miracle!!

Anyhow, not sure if you've tried this method, but its really worth a try - and comes from a sleep specialist nurse who runs a very successful sleep clinic in our city. Its worth a try! The specialist says it should work within 10days so don't give up if its a disaster the first few nights.

Good luck!!!

icravecheese · 14/03/2012 13:11

woah - sorry, massive post by me above!! hope you're not too tired you can't be faffed to read through it all!!!

jumpinghoops · 14/03/2012 14:45

smee- your advice re. rewarding the good sounds sensible- I will give it a go with the audio books. I might start with back in sleeping bag, with audio book on and see how we get on (prior to receiving the book!)

GreatHunt- yes, we have chamomile, I can give a sip of that! I have been giving daytime naps, we only tried cutting it a couple of times and it was actually worse!

icrave, thank you, all of this advice is very useful. She actually doesn't wake in the night, it's just the going to bed that's got so bad (and late). In itself I know that doesn't seem so bad ie. we are not being woken up loads- but it drives me crazy when it takes over the whole evening. I go to work outside of the house in the day and use the evenings as a time to get stuff at home done (as well as eat!) and I'm feeling knackered with the nightly battles. She has always been fine with milk-teeth-story-bed and we haven't hung around with her before this. It's really only recently that it's become so bloody awful.

Thanks again everyone- I really appreciate the time you've taken to help here.

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