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Getting sick of the comments, reassure me my choices are okay!

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highheelsandequations · 04/03/2012 21:51

Apologies, didn't mean this post to be so long, I must have needed to rant!

So until DD was 4 months old, she was a fantastic sleeper (wish we'd known how great at the time). She was in her crib asleep by 7pm every night without fail, could self settle by sucking her thumb, and woke for a fairly quick feed around 10pm, 2am, 5am then up for the day at 7am (or if we were really lucky 10pm, 3am and up at 7am :))

Then things started to deteriorate. She started waking more frequently and becoming difficult to settle quickly back to sleep after a feed. She seemed to forget her thumb existed and stopped even attempting to self soothe. We ended up at the point where she would either wake every 1.5 hours all night or I'd fall asleep sitting up feeding her around 1am and she'd sleep in my arms latching herself on and off for most of the night. This was around 6 months so on the advice of the HV we tried her in her own room in her big cot, maybe she needed the space or the quiet. We also gave her a teddy bear to help her self settle after listening to advice from my mum.

For two nights, things improved. She was back to waking up just every 3 hours or so, and if she half woke she'd suck teddy's ear to put herself back to sleep. I'd go in and find her with teddy clutched over her face, fast asleep and making little sucky noises.

Then things deteriorated again and we were back to waking every 1-1.5 hours. After a couple of nights where I spent most of the night either stood in her room or lying on the floor through there waiting for her to wake up for the 10th time I decided enough was enough and we were going to start cosleeping. It took a few weeks for me to find a way of cosleeping that meant I could actually get some sleep, but DDs sleep started to improve. She was sleeping 3 hours at a time again, and not only that but she was happier. Waking up with a smile instead of crying out, and much more settled in the daytime.

Now DD is 8 months. We're still cosleeping and (although I would love some space and the freedom to move about in the night) I love the closeness and the cuddles. I also feel so much more human (and a much better mummy as a result) than I did a month or so ago. In the night she now will often wake only once or twice and it's usually a quick feed before easily back to sleep. We do still have bad nights, but not every night.

Our main problem just now is evenings. Between when DD goes to bed around 7pm and when we go to bed around 10.30/11pm she wakes about every 45 mins, unless one of us sits with her in which case she'll shuffle a bit but not wake up fully until she wants a feed. So we're now spending evenings taking it in turns to sit up with her with either a book or the laptop, it's a bit frustrating yes but that seems to be what she needs just now.

I'm not looking for ways to change this, I'm not prepared to do any form of CC as I don't think it is right for us. I've read the no-cry sleep solution, and there are some ideas in there that we might consider using in the near future. But basically my priority just now is trying to make sure DD gets as much sleep as possible and feels secure, whilst we also get some rest and some sleep so if thst means being with her 7-7 then so be it. One day I'm sure she'll want her own space. My problem is that I am so sick of the comments. From other mums, friends, family, HVs. "What's wrong with her?", "Is she still in your bed?", "You're going to have to get her out of the bad habits", "She can't be hungry", "Is she still feeding that often", .... Every time I've convinced myself we're doing the right thing, someone says something that has me doubting myself again.

So please, someone, reassure me that what I'm doing is okay!

Thank you for reading, emotional outburst over now :)

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er1507 · 04/03/2012 23:04

it's ok to Put l

TeenyLeek · 04/03/2012 23:08

Just a quick note to you to say that you sound like a lovely caring mum doing what you feel your DD needs right now. If it feels right and it works for your family for now then it's the right thing. Ignore anyone who says otherwise. They are not in your shoes and it's none of their business. As you say in your post, things will change as time goes on. The most important thing is that you, DH and DD are getting enough sleep and it's working for you. I'm off to sleep now just didn't want to read and not reply. Night night (hope it's a good one for you). Smile

shuckleberryfinn · 04/03/2012 23:13

lie to them, it makes life easier. or be disgustingly happy about it. Useful phrases include "she sleeps like a baby" or "great, innit?!" or "we love those middle of the night cuddles" and if they are really getting on your tits just act bewildered and say "oh, why would I care, she's tiny, that's what babies are meant to do" if they are particularly irritating add "you twats" with a cheesy grin.

I'm being a bit flippant but it is your family, no one elses and if you aren't asking for solutions then people shouldn't be giving them. :D

er1507 · 04/03/2012 23:18

it's ok to Put long posts and your choices are ok too! my dd is nealy 8mo and we cosleep and she will sometimes wake up 4/5 times for mostly what I think are comfort feeds. She will also sometimes wake every 45min between her bedtime 7pm and mine 10/11pm. I contemplated the controlled crying and I'm glad I never went through with it, they WILL one day surprise us but right now they are very young still. I don't get why there's so muh pressure put on to get our babies to sleep through the night? In comparison to aaaaall the yers they're going to, very quickly, grow up these first few years should be cherished and enjoyed even if people tell you that "your making a rod" "she doesn't sleep through? Mine were doin it before they were even born". :)
The only time i feel crap about my choices is when feel the need to make some unhelpful/pointless comments of others but now it completely goes on one ear and out the other!!

PatronSaintOfDucks · 05/03/2012 10:28

highheelsandequasions, I know how you feel. Just yesterday I spent a whole day thinking "what's wrong with me?" as my 13-month DS is still rocked to sleep in the evenings and Bfeeds 3-4 times a night and every 1.5 hours when he is not well. I also do not want to leave him to cry and he so far has not been receptive to any gradual approaches as advised in No Cry Sleep Solution. So I just do whatever minimises the grief for the whole family. One thing, however, gives me hope - I keep trying certain things at regular intervals, in hope that with time DS would be ready to accept them. For instance, last night I tried (YET AGAIN) to get him to sleep i his cot at bedtime without rocking. He waled in anger for about 20 min before collapsing into sleep. I just stood by and stroked him and went shhhh. After this, he woke up for bf at 1:15, at 6-ish and then up at 7:30. This is VERY good for us. I don't know if I will be so lucky tonight, but I am hoping that this is a sign that he is ready for a change.

So perhaps you DD is just not quite ready yet, but will be soon. So just do whatever works for now (if it is not causing you tons of distress), but keep trying to leave her to sleep on her own every so often. Maybe one day she will decide that it is not so bad. Good luck.

highheelsandequations · 07/03/2012 11:04

Thanks for the replies, I think I just have moments of self doubt and get worried that I'm not doing this mummy thing right! I should stop listening to other people or else learn how to be ruder Wink

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loveisagirlnameddaisy · 07/03/2012 11:48

If you don't want to change it, then try to avoid the sleep conversation with people, if they ask just say 'everything's fine'. Things will get better eventually (although my 2.5 yr old STILL changes the goalposts every few months!).

But if you do want to change it, there are ways to go about it without controlled crying. There are many forms of sleep 'training', and CC is probably the most extreme which is why it jars with so many people. I am quite routine-based and strict, but I could never do controlled crying.

I didn't find the no cry book very helpful, but I do rate the Baby Whisperer's pick up, put down method, which will involve crying but doesn't involve you leaving the baby at all.

It's got to be your choice... other people will always have an opinion and think they know what's best for your baby, so try and be confident and happy with your decision. Hope that helps.

highheelsandequations · 07/03/2012 12:04

loveisagirlnameddaisy we did try PUPD for 1.5 nights a while back but I found it very frustrating as I was stood next to DDs crib for nearly 2 hours at one point in the night and I just felt all it was doing was winding both of us up.

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omama · 07/03/2012 14:25

highheels PUPD will be frustrating. It is testing & takes a lot of patience & consistency to see it through but with perseverance, each resettle will take less & less time until eventually she can do it herself.

That said, if its not for you, I don't think there's anything wrong in what you are doing. Enjoy your mummy snuggles while you have the chance!

xx

gemmeg · 07/03/2012 18:20

I completely understand where you're coming from. As a first time mum I'm constantly asking myself if I'm doing the right thing. I go to a breastfeeding group and I always try to remember what the group leader says- "No-one knows your child better than you do. Not the mother-in-law, not the woman next door, you!" I try to bear this in mind when I find yet another attempt to follow some "expert's" advice has failed to do what was promised and I end up breaking the so-called rules!!!!

loveisagirlnameddaisy · 08/03/2012 10:15

highheels I agree with omama that PUPD can feel frustrating but you have to see it through. I saw Tracy Hogg do it with someone and it took three nights of basically being up and down all night, although the third night was a huge improvement. By the fourth night, he was more or less sleeping through and within a week or so, it was a total transformation.

Everything I've read says three days, but like omama says, if it's not right for you, don't put you and your LO through even half an hour of it!

squirrel007 · 08/03/2012 20:45

I hope you're doing the right thing because I could have written large chunks of your original post ;) 8mo DD is difficult to settle 7-11pm, wakes regularly to feed, and we made the decision to co-sleep when she was about 6 months to improve our sleep. It works for us at the moment, and I think that is the most important thing. She is resistant to any kind of gradual withdrawal method (they lead to the kind of hysterical crying that I am not prepared to put her through) so we'll do things this way until she is older.

On the worst evenings, I imagine myself in 18 years having to uproot and follow her to university so that I can sit with her every evening until she sleeps, with a glass of milk (beer?!) to soothe her when she wakes!

highheelsandequations · 09/03/2012 19:46

squirrel007 :o :o :o

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Bet01 · 10/03/2012 12:00

Hi OP,
I could have written literally all of your post, except DS is 12 months now. We do exactly the same as you wrt staying with DC during early evening. We actually bring the TV into the bedroom and watch it with subtitles! As a result we haven't had a night out since he was born, there's just no way anyone else could look after him.
I'm not that bothered about it all really, since I know it's not forever and I do think his sleep is very slowly improving (we've had a couple of 5 hour stints recently) but in a way I don't think we've actively made choices, or followed some kind of philosophy about attachment parenting, just done what we had to do to survive and get the most sleep!
It really annoys me when people pass judgement because if their baby slept 12 hours when it was a week old and has done ever since, they were just LUCKY, nothing else. We did nothing to make DS be a terrible sleeper, he just is!
Anyway, enough rambling, just wanted you to know you're not the only one!

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