Tried everything, DD will not sleep - chatting at 4am

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DD (10.5mo) b/feeds to sleep but I wake her slightly when putting her down.
She has a little moan/cry early on in the night, usually between 11pm and 1am.
But then she will either cry or start chatting at any time from 3.30am to 5am.
She can go on for two hours and then when she does go back to sleep it is only for half an hour.
I am exhausted. I've tried leaving her, if she is crying she just carries on until she is coughing and spluttering and really upset and if she is happy and chatting she just carries on doing that.
If she is crying, picking her up and cuddling her gets her back off relatively quickly but not with the chatting, she just carries on in my arms.
She is not getting fed in the night anymore so that rules out co-sleeping (as she'll expect a feed and even when she was having a feed in a night it seemed to wake her up more, not get her off to sleep).
The only thing I haven't really tried if the waking up before her 'wakey' time and then get her off again to break the habit.
Has anyone tried that? Does it ever work?
At wits end....

No advice I'm afraid but I've also had this with 10mo DD for the best part of a month now, though we have grizzling or crying rather than chatting or crying! I do end up co-"sleeping", mostly she's happy without a feed til after 5.30 but she still doesn't really sleep, just dozes off for half an hour then cries again, sometimes I can keep that cycle going for a couple of hours, sometimes not. No idea what it is but it's too regular and gone on for too long to be teeth so thinking it's developmental. Sigh.

Have tried shifting and dropping naps this week but made no difference, CC (just cried until 6am when I let her get up). I don't think cc works very well at the tail end of the night - if they don't go back to sleep I don't think they learn much!

You have my sympathy, we are shattered!

Is her room completely dark? Mine slept longer when I got black out blinds up the window

its a few years ago now, but I used to b/feed on demand, and at about this age I got into the habit of waking her up to feed her as I was going to bed. This worked for us and meant I got some zzz in. So put her down about 7, feed her as I went to bed at 11 ish, then she awoke about 6ish.

Is this what you meant?

Frog - thank you. Its nice to know we are not alone.
Never - her room is completely dark but then light doesn't seem to bother her much anyway.
Sleepy - I don't think she is hungry as she has gone to 5/6am without a feed and if I do feed her she just chats after that!

I have just read the early early starts thread and wonder if she is actually just waking up early (because if she does go back to sleep its only for half an hour).
And she does still have two naps, one about 9am for maybe an hour and one at 1pm for an hour to hour and half.
She goes to bed between 7 and 7.30pm.

Although she's having plenty of sleep throughout the day, I would say it's a long stretch from the second nap wake-up to bedtime, and she is therefore overtired by bedtime.

Can you push the naps a little later and therefore put her to bed within 4 hours of waking from the second nap?

When both of mine were overtired at bedtime, they would struggle going from deep sleep to lighter sleep (approx 3 hours from going to bed) and would then wake in the night for an hour or so, or do early starts! You have my sympathy - it's miserable.

Jazz, she does fall asleep while having her bedtime feed most nights so maybe that is it.
We are going to see if we can push both are naps back a little (DH is a SAHD).
Last night was a bit better, little cry at 11pm and slept until 5am when the chatting started, no sleep after that until gone 9am when she had half hour in pushchair.
Lunatic, I am with you on the 8.30pm bedtimes! I am so fed up of it and am fed up of hearing friends talking about having to wake up their little ones at 7.40am for nursery!
I would like her to sleep 7.30pm to 6.30am - I don't need her to go 12 hours, 11 is fine.

My 2month old, C sleeps now from roughly 9.30pm until 12.30am then feeds. Then sleeps 1am until 2am and feeds and then is awake 2am until 4.30am or 5am wriggling and/or upset. She then sleeps 5am until 7am and feeds and then sleeps 7.30am until 8.30am. Any suggestions to get a longer sleep period in the night and also no 2 or 3 hour wake times during the night?