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Bad sleeper has got worse - could it be the four month sleep regression at 3&1/2 months? Help!!

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scottygirl5 · 19/12/2011 08:05

DD is 3&1/2 months and has never been a good sleeper, slept on me at night from 4 weeks to 11 weeks as she'd just scream in her crib. Finally got her into the crib after some persuasion (plus hot water bottle to warm crib, rolled towel round edge to make it cosy, swaddling and prince lionheart bear womb noise) and after about a week she settled back into the sleep pattern she'd had on me - going to sleep between about 830 and waking between 12 and 2 and again between 3.30 and 5, sometimes in between too, often not really going back to sleep properly after this second feed. She's EBF and a bottle refuser.

In the last week she has started waking much more frequently, every 1/2-1&1/2 hours. Occasionally she can self settle, sometimes the womb sound works but often we resort to white noise (hairdryer) and if all else fails another feed and starting the whole cycle again. Sometimes she wakes just 1/2 hour after she has gone down at the start of the night and keeps waking that frequently nearly the whole night till her day starts at 4.30.

I'm at my wits end and crying with exhaustion Sad. She is a poor daytime napper too, will only sleep on someone (mainly me after a feed but occasionally DH) or in the sling, occasionally in the car if exhausted but often just cries there.

I've read about the four month sleep regression and wondered if this is it come early? Has anyone else experienced this problem and overcome it? Any advice or words of reassurance would be much appreciated Xmas Smile.

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jkklpu · 19/12/2011 08:15

Everything seems hideous when you are so short of sleep. Your baby is still quite small to expect her to have a routine, but I know how massive the impact is on you having to deal with it. Can you co-sleep? Honestly, it saved my sanity with ds2 as he just got on with feeding and I got about 3 times more sleep than I was getting with constant waking.

scottygirl5 · 19/12/2011 08:34

Hi jkklpu. Tbh, I don't mind the lack of a sleep routine so much as the extremely regular wakings and day starting just after 4am!! Have tried co-sleeping but she is not up for it, doesn't sleep at all in the bed with us, just gets wriggly Sad.

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jkklpu · 19/12/2011 08:37

So sorry, must be very hard. Maybe someone else with more similar experience will be along now the thread's gone up the list.

Aloha31 · 19/12/2011 08:44

the wonder weeks explains sleep regression well.

My dd went through it at that age. What helped was first to get her used to the bottle. Hard I know! Do it through the day when baby is reasonably hungry. I had to bounce lots and sing to distract while keeping bottle in her mouth! Then I expressed and gave her bedtime feed by bottle do I knew she'd had lots. Then id settle her with hand on tummy for the next hours of night waking, knowing she wasn't hungry as she could last until three from seven. It helped. She slowly got to one night waking. She hasn't fed through the night for a long time now, but she's teething... Another story! Good luck and take care!

Rhinopotamus · 19/12/2011 08:46

My DS is three and a half months and exactly the same! I'm co-sleeping at the moment as it's the only way to get any sleep. He's too big for his crib and hates the cot. I don't mind it when he wakes and feeds as he usually drops off again after, but when he wakes and screams till I bounce him back to sleep it's really hard (3 times last night). I keep thinking about the four month regression too and hoping it's a phase as I'm exhausted too. I've got a two year old who is being quite challenging during the day, so I don't get any rest then either.
Sorry I don't have much advice, just sympathy!

scottygirl5 · 19/12/2011 08:53

Thanks for the advice and replies ladies! Rhinopotamus you have my sympathies, can't imagine having another one to look after feeling this tired!

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Rhinopotamus · 19/12/2011 09:59

The only other thought I had was does your DD take a dummy? I wasn't that keen on DS having one at first and he didn't take it anyway until last week. I have found that it helps especially with settling him for daytime naps and in the car seat.

scottygirl5 · 19/12/2011 11:04

We did try a dummy, she didn't take to it so we bought a different make and she didn't like that either! She likes to suck her fingers but can't get to them in a swaddle and she wouldn't sleep without it Sad

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Rhinopotamus · 19/12/2011 21:35

It's frustrating isn't it? I just keep thinking about how good he was when he was tiny and what's changed since then. My first DS was not a good sleeper either but he did improve and was sleeping through just after a year old. He sleeps well now and rarely wakes or causes any trouble at bedtime. So it does get better.

scottygirl5 · 20/12/2011 08:34

That's encouraging rhinopotamus. DD was even worse than now as a newborn!. However,last night she surprised me by sleeping for 4 and 1/2 hours at the beginning of last night-still woke every 1-2 hours after that and started her day at 530 but sooo much better than last week or so.

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applecharlotte · 20/12/2011 10:00

Hi, my DS went through the 4 month sleep regression a bit earlier and it sounds like your baby is also. It was hell so I totally empathise. He was up every hour and started his day at 4.30am. This lasted a month - it almost killed me! I truly don't believe there is anything you can do, just cancel any plans you have and sleep whenever the baby does in the day. It's a developmental leap they are going through - IT WILL COME TO AN END!

If you can afford to get a babysitter or have family to help you out - do it! My DS had another similar regression at 9 months and at almost 11 months now sleeps through from 8pm - 7am so it's def not a case of once a bad sleeper always a bad sleeper. Eat well, take vitamins and take care of yourself in the meantime. You sound like you're doing a great job.

scottygirl5 · 20/12/2011 11:00

Thanks applecharlotte! Good to know there isn't something i should be doing, easier if i just think i have to go with the flow and that it will get better. DD only naps on me so can't sleep during the day but at least i can put mt feet up. We're having Christmas with both families so plan to take advantage of many willing baby holders to get a rest! Xmas Smile

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PrincessScrumpy · 20/12/2011 11:22

glad it's not just us - dtds used to be so good :-(

Iggly · 20/12/2011 11:32

DS used to get like this - massive nap resister then got overtired then sleep got worse as a result. I had to work on naps in the day and have a super early bedtime with a very short routine. Took about a week to work(although his nights were still bad for months this made them bearable).

He got tired a lot earlier than I realised - sometimes after 30 mins after his first wake - literally I'd feed and change him and he'd want to sleep again. So I'd get him off to sleep. Tired signs are losing interest, looking away, glazed look then you get a bit of crying, then hyper manic behaviour then a meltdown. If you get to the hyper stage (where you think they're being really alert when they're actually wired) it's bloody hard to nap them. I basically used to stick DS in the sling and go for a walk after he'd been awake for an hour.

DD is looking like a similar baby - at 2.5 weeks she's already resisting sleep. No drifting off peacefully like these mythical babies!

Re the carseat - the pressure on DS's (and DD's) tummy meant they hated it if they had wind or recently fed. So I feed, wind then pop DD in about 20 mins before we need to go. If she screams it usually means I haven't got all the wind out. I spend ages slowly getting her in, making shes comfy then strap her in and slowly tighten straps (they can cut into her neck so have to watch them).

I also find it's easier to put them down if they're in a sleep bag or wrapped in a blanket during the feed so the change in temp doesn't wake them. I also put DS on his left hand side and he much preferred it because he got wind. Again - same with DD. I BF and she takes down a lot of air. If I don't get it all out, being on her left means she can sometimes bring it up herself.

scottygirl5 · 20/12/2011 16:39

Iggly - how did you get your DS off to sleep for naps? We use a swaddle pod at night which helps but haven't tried it during the day as its a sleep cue for night but might be worth it?

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Rhinopotamus · 21/12/2011 20:51

I usually rock my DS in the pram for daytime naps at the moment. I found with DS1 that he didn't settle into a proper pattern of daytime naps in his cot until about 6 months when he went onto solids.

scottygirl5 · 22/12/2011 07:36

Really wish DD liked pram Xmas Sad. Will keep hoping it'll improve, last night she woke for her first feed at 10.20 and wanted to start the day at 3- crazy baby!!

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Sophiesworld · 26/12/2011 22:57

My DD is the same - 4 months old and has never been a great sleeper but got steadily worse from around 14 weeks when she started waking every 0.5-1.5 hours! Before that we were getting at least one 3-4 hour stretch at the start of the night where we could put her down (already asleep) in her Moses basket but recently that has gone out of the window too. Luckily she will co-sleep so we have been doing that. I don't sleep as well and get uncomfortable as she will only sleep right next to me on her side, but it's the only option really.

However the last couple of nights we have had a 3-4 hour stretch at the start of the night again so I'm crossing my fingers that this may have been an early 4 month sleep regression and we are starting to come out the other side... DD was 11 days late - not sure if that makes any difference.

Anyway, no advice I'm afraid, but I just wanted to let you know that we have been experiencing the same thing!

scottygirl5 · 27/12/2011 09:23

Thanks sophiesworld. We've had a bit of a nightmare over Christmas,at inlaws and think changes and noise have affected her as sleep has got even worse,taking up to 2 hours to settle after some feeds or at the beginning of the night then unsettled from 2/3 onwards,used to be 4/5,i feel sick with exhaustion. Really pleased to hear that you seem to be coming out the other side,let me know if it continues as it will give me hope!

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lookout · 27/12/2011 19:46

OP, I really feel for you - we are going through exactly the same thing with our ds2 (12 weeks). Rea''y, your posts could describe ds perfectly! A bit early possible for the 4mo regression, but we too were having a longer stretch which has disappeared and half hour to hour wakings every night. I am constantly in tears through exhaustion and at my wits end. I am finding it very hard to go with the flow though.

Wishing you all the best, sorry I don't have any advice, just wanted you to know you're not the only one!

JimbosJetSet · 27/12/2011 19:55

I have no advice to offer other than what has already been said, but DD was just the same as yours when she was that age (and for a few months afterwards, but I'm sure you won't be as unlucky!) It may take time, but it will get better, I assure you. Try not to do as I did though and tie yourself up in knots reading every book and website available on the matter, it will only serve to make you feel guilty and confused!

Sophiesworld · 27/12/2011 20:13

We're with the outlaws too scotty but fortunately it hasn't made things any worse - as I said, if anything slightly better. Last night was interesting as they had a houseful so me, DD and DH were all in a standard double with no walls or bed-rails on either side. None of us got much sleep and the whole house was woken by our 2 year old nephew at 5am!

DD and I are back in a separate room tonight so hopefully we'll all get a bit more sleep. Really hope you do too. Will keep you posted on any progress Smile

titferbrains · 27/12/2011 20:37

15wo is waking after 45 min. he's done it all day today, normally I can at least rely on his morning nap being 2hrs. Anyway, have been googling, and am planning to get him down after 1.5hrs of awake time tmw, as it's been after 2hrs recently. Think he must be a bit overtired/overstimulated as we've had a lot of visitors over xmas.

Yesterday ~I managed to express a little bit and gave it to him at bedtime - and he slept for 31/2 hours in the first part of the night. Lovely. Tonight he has woken after 45 min, and after resettling, woke again after about 5min. So getting him down promptly and making sure he has a really good morning feed to set him up for the day will be my strategy tmw. Hope these things might help someone else.

off to give him yet another feed.... DH is whistling aggressively at him and he is quiet right now (drunk dad)...Smile

scottygirl5 · 28/12/2011 09:11

Feel sorry for everyone but so glad to find out how common it is. Got back home last night and realised we'd left the crib mattress at inlaws! Put pram mattress in Moses basket and luckily she accepted it,sleep back to pre-Christmas which while rubbish enough to warrant my OP now seems fab compared with last few nights!

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PinkFondantFancy · 28/12/2011 09:32

No advice but plenty of sympathy as my almost 15 week DD is doing almost exactly the same-your post could have been written by me... Let's hope they pass through this quickly!!

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