No cry sleep solution/watering down milk/resetting which might work?

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I have until the 5th dec to get dd 9mo to sleep better currently is bed at 1830 awake on the DOT of 2120 no settling with a bottle sometimes 5oz awake on the DOT 0220 again 50z.

Past few nights I have tried moving her about 2100 and she has not woke till 2230 the wailed until fed. Should I keep trying that resettling regularly?

Or do I weaken her bottles till it doesnt seem worth her while to wake up?

I have bought the no cry sleep solution book and think the pantley pull off etc may help I don't have that kind of time.

DEsperate for advice people experience.

What is happening on December 5th?? Does she eat well during the day? Does she have something to eat before she goes to bed? Has she made any big developmental leaps recently? Been ill? Teething?

Dec 5th DH wants to try letting her cry but reassuring her every min or two patting shhing etc.

About 4 teeth a few weeks ago crawling really well last few weeks and pulling to stand now regularly.

Does not eat very well as constantly tired up a sixish bottle about 30 mins later then solids another half hour later by then she is rubbing her eyes and not interested same at lunch and dinner.

Not been ill.

Its the precise times of the awakenings makes me think habit and in the past as not to wake dd1 we just fed but now the whole family is knackered and rowing and we need to sort it.

Even if it was once a night would be better but twice is killing.
help

I don't think 9mo is too early for night weaning if she's eating ok in the day
does she have any daytime naps?
can you time meals/snacks for after nap time if she's too tired to eat?
tbh dd2 sometimes has lunch at 11.30 which probably sounds crazy but if she doesn't nap in the AM she needs to be in bed by lunchtime proper.

hi there my daughter had started to wake in the night for milk again (7mnths old) and a friend suggested a milk called good night milk by hipp organic and it has worked amazingly well and now she sleeps through. It is a once only feed of thicker milk designed to see them through the night. My daughter continued to wake but then i knew she didn't need feeding i then felt happier to do controlled crying. It only took 2 nights of when she woke I got her out offered her water then put her straight back. After 2 nights she then slept through as she realised she wasn't going to get anything. Hope this helps!

naps are about usually an hour in the morning and sometimes hour 30 mins in the pm occasionally have to wake her to get dd1 from school.

yep lunch often 1145 then bottle 1230 then nap about 1300

I have searched for the good night milk no sign of it in boots or tescos I tried extra hungry baby milk for a few nights before bed and she still woke at 2120 on the button thats why i thinks its habit not hunger.

Megastar you say the water worked for you was it cold in a bottle or warm?
thanks for replying

I seem to vaguely remember offering water and my baby being utterly disgusted! I think it was warm. We managed quite quickly to get him through the night with just a dream feed at 11ish. Developmental leaps and especially if she is pulling to stand can affect their sleep. Their neurological networks are firing on all cylinders and they want to practice what they've learned.

Sorry not to be more helpful - once I went back to work we just started bringing him into our bed when he woke in the night. Better nights sleep for me for sure :)

I'd love a dream feed at 2300 its the 0220 waking thats killing me.

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Hi again the good night milk I get from tesco so might be worth asking in store, I order online, but have got it in store too, easy to miss.
Also the water i offered my daughter cold but from a tommee tippee cup that way i knew she wouldn't use it for comfort. It wasn't easy as she did get very upset when i would put her back to bed and also then had to do controlled crying( going in to let her know I hadn't disapeared) I think I offered water twice then just went in to lay her down again twice she then realised milk wasn't coming and went to sleep. It may take more times than this, but trust me when I say it does work and it is worth it. good luck

You could just tell your dp to get stuffed?

I have rowed and cried with him over this seeker. His reasoning is I have made my choices of what to try and they have not helped and have affected the whole family, all tired I am tearey and snappy with both dds and dh.

He feels he should be allowed to try what he thinks will work if it does note try something else.

Megastar will hunt again for the milk.

Can I ask- does she go straight back to sleep after the 2.20 milk?

Yes she does and then no interest in the morning bottle, 40 mins for 5oz

meg My 9 month old dd is still cheekily waking up for at least one bottle. She goes down around 7.30 then wakes at any random time from 11 to 4am,she drinks about 150mls then goes straight back down but will often wake very early too. She hasnt weaned well and doesnt eat lots so im still thinking it could be hunger,she has no interest in food untill lunchtime probably cos she has a belly full of milk
She is my 5th baby and slept 12 hrs at 7 weeks but at 4 months it all changed and here we are. Occasionally she goes all night but very rarely,she also doesnt sleep for long in the day.
She has just had a cleft repair so i cant do anything at the moment but when she's healed i will certainly be trying something to stop it especially as i go back to work in Jan.
Does your dh help out? We take turns and also give each other lie ins when possible.
I wouldnt do anything i felt uncomfortable with tho,maybe if he wants to do cc you could stay out overnight whilst he does it.
My other children didnt do this and i do get fed up but i console myself that its not forever.

Oh yes and the occasional tantrum too

I think that a baby who wakes at the same time every night probably is hungry, but that's not the same as needing food at that time - it's like an office worker who has a bacon sandwich at 11am every day. If they had to stop, and work through til 1pm then they'd be ravenous for a few days until they adjusted to the new routine.

At around that age, with a normal healthy baby it should be possible to gradually wean them off the midnight feeds - exactly how you want to do it is up to you, but I just gave mine water (and as many cuddles as they wanted) for a few days until they decided it wasn't worth waking up - if your problem is hunger then CC (in the sense of not cuddling etc) is neither necessary nor kind.

Well last night I reset her position in the cot every hour and she slept till 0040 so better than usual. She had a bottle then slept till 0500 , brought her into be then she dozed until 0600.

So a better night but now I am awake as I am resetting her, well keep trying it for a few nights and I found some of the Hipp night time milk to try next if the resetting fails.

Thanks for all the advice and keep it coming.

tell you dh to get a grip, he is not a baby expert. if your baby's needs aren't met first then his 'plan' won't work - if your baby is hungry or cold or anything else then she will wake up. you have to make sure it is none of those things first.

i've just spent weeks trying to get my 9month old to stop feeding in the night. i spent a couple of weeks filling him with as much cereal type foods as possible and getting as much milk in during the day then just stopped feeding overnight. i tried cutting down the amount he was feeding for a week or so then just stopped. he went to 5:30 and can now go to 7 ish for a feed. he wasn't eating much breakfast before because of the night feeds but today had a whole weetabix, fruit cube, 1/2 bowl of porridge and 1/2 slice of toast! however.....he is still waking up several times a night!

i used good night milk with my older kids and don't believe it worked - just give a bowl of porridge before bed, same effect and cheaper!

Neither us are baby experts, we are parents struggling with lack of sleep and searching desperately for help, she is not cold room is 20 degrees and she has a 2.5 tog grobag, she may be hungry we don't know we don't speak baby.

We do our best, we feed her as that is what has worked and we are trying to find the kindest way to stop this as we think she would eat better in the day if she had a full nights sleep and this night feeding cycle was broken.

She looks tired though out the day, neither of us know what else to do, I have asked the HV for help two weeks ago and they rang today, in the middle of cooking dinner with two children yabbering at me I asked her to ring me later but no, she was too busy and too busy tomorrow so will try and ring me monday. By then it will be three weeks since I asked for help.

Forgive me if I'm being simplistic, but surely her being awake for 10 minutes, having milk and going back to sleep at 2.20 every night is less exhausting for evyone than all this resettling, and crying and trying stuff? If you hqve everything ready then you're out of bed for 20 minutes max, then evyone's back to sleep again. Or ammi missing something?

Between making the bottle cooling it and feeding it's usually 30-40 mins.
Hard to get back to sleep too and she appears tired also, on one of the few occasions she has slept through she is a different baby in the morning.

how do you settle her to sleep? could that be the issue? how does it compare to how she settles for daytime sleeps.

i think she sleeps too long in the morning - i've been doing the gf routine roughly and reading advice on another forum which says sleeping too long in the morning nap can mean unsettled nights and/or early morning wake ups. i'm aiming for 30mins in the morning, then he does 2 1/2hrs at lunchtime and just about makes it to bedtime with eyes propped open. i had a problem with feeding to sleep then feeding in the middle of the lunchtime nap and when i stopped that the nights were much easier.

Ready mixed milk for this one feed?

Ready mixed milk for this one feed?