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controlled crying - what's the earliest you can do this?

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valentine · 19/12/2005 13:30

Is it too early to do controlled crying with a 4 week old (assuming the baby has been fed, winded, clean nappy etc)? Or am I mean to even think like this?!

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hercules · 19/12/2005 18:35

at that age you dont teach them to go to sleep you teach them that if you cry noone comes so dont bother.

harpsiheraldangelssing · 19/12/2005 18:42

actually - re Gina Ford - someone told me on here the other day that GF recommends that you "allow" babies of this age to cry for up to twenty minutes.
she doesn't call it cc
not sure if that's true, as I don't have the book int he house any more.
I seriously hope it isn't tbh.

mumfor1sttime · 19/12/2005 18:47

IME controlled crying has worked for us.

mumfor1sttime · 19/12/2005 18:51

We obviously have taught him to go to sleep on his own - he is put to bed at night awake and falls asleep.

Or is it because I am such a cruel mother he 'doesnt bother' to cry!!?

If he is ill and he wakes in the night - the only time so far he has woken - I do go to him! I am not some kind of evil witch!

hercules · 19/12/2005 18:52

Mumforfirsttime- I dont know you. I am simply stating what I think about cc for a 4 week old child. THe experts who recommend it are clear in their guidance that it isnt suitable for babies this age.
It worked for you, great but not something I would do.

LIZS · 19/12/2005 18:53

tbh I don't see the point at such a young age. They are either going to settle quickly and happily or not at all, and no amount of allowing them to "cry it out" will change that. Instead they take in lots of air, get very upset and become even harder to settle. They would probably eventually fall asleep out of exhaustion but into a less deep, less satisfying sleep. By all means allow a few minutes, perhaps with pattign a la Baby Whisperer, but we found that it might take a few goes, with cuddles and/or feeding in between, before ours would settle.

Also dd had reflux, which wasn't diagnosed until she was 8 weeks old and would not settle easily at night so any form of cc at that age would have been mean.

shepherdswatchedtheirflockets · 19/12/2005 18:56

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mumfor1sttime · 19/12/2005 18:57

Hercules - thats ok.

mumfor1sttime · 19/12/2005 18:58

Each to their own is what I say!

hercules · 19/12/2005 18:59
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Mercy · 19/12/2005 19:00

mumfor1sttime, if you did cc with a 6 week old baby, how did you know if/when your child needed feeding. Surely a baby of 6 weeks can't sleep through the night? Or did you stick to a strict routine of feeding?

mumfor1sttime · 19/12/2005 19:09

The routine in our house from what I remember was

5.30pm Nappy free time in bedroom
6.00pm bath
6.30pm feed
7.00pm Bed (and doing the cc to start with, for few mins)

He would wake at 2am for a feed on the dot, I would feed him and put him down in his
bed awake, he would cry for 2/3 mins max then drop off. He would only wake for 1 feed at this age, he dropped the second feed around 4/5 weeks - before we tried cc.

At around 7 weeks he slept through - shortly after completing cc.

hercules · 19/12/2005 19:18

I dont think that's the same as cc though. I imagined when you said it a tiny baby crying for a long time. 2/3 minutes is nothing.

Sorry, dont get to keep the title of cruel mother!

hercules · 19/12/2005 19:18

I dont think that's the same as cc though. I imagined when you said it a tiny baby crying for a long time. 2/3 minutes is nothing.

Sorry, dont get to keep the title of cruel mother!

hercules · 19/12/2005 19:18

I dont think that's the same as cc though. I imagined when you said it a tiny baby crying for a long time. 2/3 minutes is nothing.

Sorry, dont get to keep the title of cruel mother!

hercules · 19/12/2005 19:18

oops

Mercy · 19/12/2005 19:27

Agree hercules, 2/3 minutes is NOTHING. That's not cc.

I'm still amazed that a 7 week old baby would sleep through without needing a feed though. Lucky you!

mumfor1sttime · 19/12/2005 19:31

Ds would take big feeds and he was a big baby. 9lb 12 at birth.

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mumfor1sttime · 19/12/2005 19:33

It was longer crying time on first time we tried cc, say 15 mins, but time got really short day by day.

Mercy · 19/12/2005 20:07

What a whopper! It seems to be true that bigger babies require less feeds. dd was 5lb 9oz!!

valentine · 19/12/2005 21:19

I will not let my DS cry for more than 5 minutes - but isnt that controlled crying?

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WigWamBam · 19/12/2005 21:20

No, it's not really. Controlled crying is where you leave them for increasingly long periods of time before you go in to them, with a view to eventually not going in to them at all.

Mercy · 19/12/2005 21:28

Keyword that Wigwambam uses is 'going' into them. Babies should sleep in your room until 6 months old (or has that advice changed too?)

WigWamBam · 19/12/2005 21:29

I googled for some info on controlled crying for you - maybe looking at this you can see why people were so concerned that you were planning on doing controlled crying for a month old baby.

Controlled crying

If all other methods have failed, controlled crying is the most effective way to sleep-train babies over 6 months.

It is an intense technique and takes a lot of commitment and perseverance but can be very successful in getting your baby to sleep through. If your baby is still feeding in the night, however, it's a good idea to try the core night method to ensure he isn't crying from genuine hunger.

Start controlled crying in the evening on the first day. The same procedure should be carried out no matter how many times your baby or toddler wakes up in the night.

Day 1
Step 1 Decide on a regular time to start the bedtime routine and stick to it. Allow at least one hour for the bath, milk feed and settling.

Step2 Settle your child in his bed before he gets too sleepy. Kiss him goodnight and leave the room.

Step 3 Allow a minimum of five to 10 minutes of crying before returning to reassure him. Reassurance should be kept to the minimum. You can stroke him or say 'ssh-ssh' softly, but resist the urge to pick him up. Leave the room after two minutes even if he continues to cry.

Step 4 After the first half hour of crying, the times between visits should be increased by five to 10 minutes each time, to 15-20 minutes between visits.

Step 5 Continue with the checking plan every 15-20 mins until your baby or toddler falls asleep. Reassurance should still be kept to a minimum of no more than two minutes and he shouldn't be lifted out of the cot.

Step 6 If your baby wakes in the night, continue to follow the same plan for the evening, gradually increasing the time between visits, until you are going in every 15-20 minutes.

Day 2

For daytime naps, it is important you start where you left off in the night.
Step 1 Wait at least 20 minutes before checking your baby and continue to keep visits to him to a maximum of two minutes, with the minimum of reassurance.

Step 2 If your baby or toddler falls asleep closer to the time he's meant to be getting up, allow 15 minutes in the morning nap and 45 minutes at the lunchtime nap so he won't end up sleeping after 3pm in the afternoon. If your baby's very tired he may need a short nap of 15-20 minutes late afternoon, so he doesn't become over-tired.

Step 3 Follow the same settling procedure as the first night in the evening, this time waiting 20-25 minutes before returning. During visits on the second night, reassure your baby by saying "ssh-ssh", but don't stroke or touch him.

Step 4 If your baby is still crying after the first hour, the time between visits should be increased to 35-40 minutes.

Step 5 If he wakes in the night, you should wait 45 minutes before checking him, and you shouldn't speak to him or stroke him. Reduce visits to one minute.

Day 3

By the third day, the majority of babies and toddlers will be settling themselves at all sleep-times within 20 minutes and there's no need to check on them.

Step 1 If your baby backtracks at one of the steep-times and you have to go back to checking him, start off with looking in on him every 15-20 minutes and increase the interval until you are back to 4-5-50 minutes.

Step 2 Once your child has done a few days of settling within 20 minutes, you should be able to use the crying-down method for getting him off to sleep. Within a couple of weeks, the majority of babies and toddlers will be going to sleep without any fuss at all.