Persistent early rising in 2yo-4.30-5am...help!

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Title says it all really. Ds goes to bed in his big bed very nicely every night for 7. HE may not sleep immediately, but plays quietly/read a book after we tuck him up.

He then sleeps through until 5, every night.

We have a dd (nearly 3mths) and the combination Of her night feeds and ds' early rising is killing dh and I.

Any advice? He is missing naps/falling asleep erratically. He is exhausted during the day but eitherfightd naps or dally asleep in his lunch or in car/pram/as soon as tv goes on so I get break.

Any advice? We are desperate!

Sorry- dally = falls (bfing and iPhones dot always mix well!)

It was 4.35am today. I got him to stay in his room until 6 but still going in every 30 mins...

This was us last year, except ds and dd opposite ages.

DD would get up as early as 4.30am and with ds up for feeds it nearly killed us. Ds would then sleep on till 7 and we really began to resent dd.

I'm afraid we don't have any magic answers, she still gets up at 6 am these days as she's just a morning person. But now ds is only up once at night so we're all getting a little more sleep.

Some people recommend the bunny clock or other sleep clocks but they didn't work on my dd www.babysleepshop.com/acatalog/Sleepytime_Bunny_Clocks.html

It does get easier.

Been there, done that, with both my boys. Nothing really worked I'm afraid, other than just going to bed ridiculously early to get just enough sleep to function.

DS1 finally learnt the number 6 so we got him a digital clock and he wasn't allowed out of room until 6am - various reward charts & bribery involved - including choc buttons at one point!

DS2 is SN and doesn't understand charts/numbers or bribery so it's grit teeth and bear it.
He has mostly dropped his naps now and tends to get to 6 most days which is more bearable.

Dh & I take it in turns (when he's here, he works away a lot) to get up and it's agreed the night before so one of us is ready to creep out, grab DS2 and head downstairs for an hour until DS1 gets up (normally).

Sorry, but it will pass :)

We keep saying the mn mantra "this too shall pass" but boy is it exhausting!

He was sorted-envy of my friends as he napped so easily etc. But he is a high maintenance/intense child so having him wide eyed, pale with red eyes on stalks running around hyper from over tiredness but saying "no night night" when I'm trying to slow him down to nap is not good!!

Luckily the baby is easy going or I would be posting in mental health instead!

I am propping my eyelids open and following the thread in case of a solution.

We're all up any time after 3am. Makes no difference what time he goes to bed, how tired he is, and what naps he takes. He just doesn't need much sleep i think. His poor big sister does and she is often tired from being woken by him.

ds1 has got used to DS2 now, i can go in, 'extract' DS2, even turn off the light if he's turned it on, say shhh to DS1 and come downstairs.

This morning for eg; 6.10 DS2 wide awake, 8.11 no sign of DS1 - just realised the time!! - so he does go back to sleep.
And as he's at school (well not today obv) i feel he needs his sleep more.

3 is bad though

Yuno!! Ow that's bad!

He is now nearly falling asleep infront of Timmytime ... Grrrrrrr

Last night it was bed at 8.30 for parents, then feed lo for hour at 1, then 2.5hrs of lo being unsettled before Ds woke at 4.30.

I kept putting him in bed if he came to the door and he was pretty good until 6, just the usual tricks of taking his nappy off and throwing it over the gate

My ds went through a stage of doing this last summer so he would have been about two and a half. We bought a GRO clock which came with a story and you can set the clock to turn from moon and stars to a sunshine at whatever time you want and the story has a rhyme at the end that says "if you want a day of fun stay in bed until the sun" ds knows it off by heart and it worked a treat, the odd blip but to be honest can't remember the last time he got up before "sunshine".

You can also set it for naps which might help that situation but I would be inclined to try to sort the day nap first and then the night sleep may follow. Bit backwards but I recommended that to a friend and it worked.

Good luck and let us know how you get on.

I think we will need to get a clock. He is awake and happy at 5 again (I'm bfing my unhappy LO though, no idea what I'd wrong with here at the moment.)