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Self soothing

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LaTristesse · 04/12/2010 08:19

Sorry I've been posting a lot recently about sleep, and the lack of, but I think the overall trouble is that my 9mo DS can't get past the 1hr sleep cycle because he can't self soothe.

Is there any way I can encourage him to do this (he won't take a dummy and doesn't suck his thumb), or will he just work it out eventually.

If the latter, what age does this happen at, in your experience?

Thanks all...

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PracticallyImperfectInEveryWay · 04/12/2010 10:31

I changed from rocking DD to sleep to getting her to go sleep in her cot (with me there helping) and that made the difference for me for her dropping night wakings and she's now sleeping through 11 hours at 9 months 3 weeks :). She doesn't use a dummy or suck her thumb either. Hoping you get some more sleep soon!

LaTristesse · 05/12/2010 08:47

Thanks for the reply, that sounds like a dream Practically... Can you tell me how you did it? Did you just pop her in and stay with her till she dropped off? I'm anticipating my LO will scream the place down if I tried that, although that may be our last resort...

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VickstaS · 05/12/2010 10:00

Try White noise? Hairdryer/Hoover or White noise app on your phone?

PracticallyImperfectInEveryWay · 05/12/2010 11:33

I honestly thought that DD would be the same. I used to feed to sleep, but when that stopped working I went to rocking to sleep. That did the trick for months but then also stopped working (they always change it just when you think you've got it nailed :)). So I started looking into different methods as I know that, while it has its place, controlled crying wasn't for me. So I looked at no-cry sleep solution, baby whisperer PUPD and Andrea Grace. I did a bit of a combination of them to find what worked for DD. I apologise in advance if it turns into a novel, but this is what we did:

I started off by getting a solid bed time routine sorted. After dinner DD has a bath, then into her room to get dressed for bed, has a feed, story, song and then lights out. I have music turned on low and a very dim night light. I then put her down and say "I love you, night night, it's time for sleep", turn on this star on the 5 minute setting and give her that time to crawl around in her cot. When it turns off I place her down, repeat the phrase above and keep my hands on her. I make sure that I'm not making eye contact with her. If she tries to sit up or stand, let her, then place her back down and repeat. I keep doing it until she stays down. I believe the most times I did it was 92 in a row. It is a bit of a killer on the back to stay bent over the cot, but does pay off. If she gets a little upset I talk to her in low tones and reassure her that I am still there and it's time to go to sleep, keeping my hands on her. I stayed in the room for at least 10 minutes after she had gone to sleep.

I started off for the night time sleep and just kept going until she went to sleep. The first night I think it took about 30 minutes. I started it for naps the following day. I do it for naps in 40 minute increments, if it hasn't worked in the first 40, get him up for quiet play for 10-15 minutes. Then repeat for another 40 minutes. If it doesn't work in the next 40, get him up and carry on with your days as though he has had a nap. Then bring the next nap forward a little to compensate. This has only happened to me once.

I did the above for three nights and three day times and moved to the next step. That for me involved doing the above with the routine, the phrase, but after I lay her down, I removed my hands but stayed standing next to the cot. Then when she sat/stood I placed her down again. And again and again! It will take a bit to get used to, again I started it with the night time sleep as you don't have to stop after 40 mins. Then repeated the next day for naps. I did this also for three nights and three days.

Next step was to do the same with the routine, then place her down and repeat the phrase. I then sat down next to the cot. When she inevitably got up again I would place her back down and sit back down myself. I would only place her down the first 5 times. Then I would say to her "Lie Down. Sleep.". In my very best firm mummy voice. I would do this a few times and if she hadn't lain back down, would get up and place her back down. Again, repeating until she went to sleep. Did this also for three nights and three days.

Next was to follow the routine, lay her down, say the phrase and sit next to the cot. I would not place her down again, but instead would just say "Lie Down. Sleep". Each time she got up. Again, three nights and three days.

Where I am up to at the moment is I put her in her cot, say the initial phrase, turn on the star, sit in a chair in the room and wait for the star to stop. Once stopped I do the "Lie Down. Sleep." until she does.

I plan on moving on tomorrow night to sitting in the chair whilst the star is on and then pottering in and out of the room as she tries to settle to sleep, doing the "Lie Down. Sleep." as necessary.

The key for me was that I was never leaving her to be upset on her own, I couldn't have handled it. There were a couple of very minor protest cries at the start, but that's all they were. She hasn't had any really upset/distraught crying. If she did I would pick her up until calm and then place her back down.

Hopefully not jinxing myself here, but she self-settles beautifully at night now where she could not before. I think that it was recognising that she was still in her cot where she went to sleep and it was ok to go back to sleep. You also would need to repeat in the middle of the night for any night wakings.

I hope that this can be of some help to you :). I never thought that DD would respond to it, but needed to do something as we couldn't continue the way we were. So far I have been really happy with it and have made fairly quick and hugely noticeable progress.

I again apologise for how long that turned out to be Blush, and please let me know if there is anything that doesn't make sense.

LaTristesse · 06/12/2010 09:17

Practically... I LOVE you, and your novel! That's the most brilliant, detailed account, and sounds like it's going to be REALLY helpful.

Thank you so much for taking the time to type it all out - I'll start it at the weekend when I'll have DH to help me out feed me chocolate when I'm done!

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PracticallyImperfectInEveryWay · 06/12/2010 09:38

No problem whatsoever, I'm really pleased that I could be of some help. It's amazing how sleep becomes such a huge focal point of your life and all else seems to revolve around it!

I remember reading a couple of things that helped me get through it when it got frustrating, one of them being that you are teaching them something new and it takes them a little while to get the hang of it. The other was to persist and give it your all, it's an adjustment for them to be started on something new but cruel to put them through it only to give up. Oh, and that the reason I started was because I couldn't continue the way it was. And if I gave up, what did we go back to? I repeated these like a mantra to myself the first couple of days :).

Very best of luck and enjoy your chocolate! Wishing you much sleep.

PracticallyImperfectInEveryWay · 13/12/2010 00:17

Hi LaTristesse, just wondering how your weekend went?

LaTristesse · 21/12/2010 15:02

Hi Practically..., I chickened out I'm afraid, although I regretted it almost immediately. We've now resolved to start on 27th December, and I have a reminder chart drawn up of why I need to do this! Should make it easier to keep up my morale... I really am dreading it though... I bought the star you mentioned, so we'll give him that for Christmas, and then go all out to sort the sleeping after Boxing Day is done!
Thanks for keeping in touch - you've been an inspiration! Smile

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CoonRapids · 21/12/2010 21:53

Good luck LaTristesse! We thought our 16 month old would never self soothe. He was taking ages to go to sleep and the whole routine involved me feeding him, staying with him, lying with him and trying to creep away. It was getting the whole family down, so time consuming and then he was waking up and feeding at night as well.

In the end got so desperate that got the HV to come for a chat at home and now have put in place a plan for the last 8 days and I have to say that touch wood, it's working. He can now go to sleep in his own room on his own and last night, woke in the night only to self settle in 10 mins. This would no way have been possible 2 weeks ago.

So I think, whatever plan you choose, if it's age appropriate, and you are consistent, calm and patient then they can learn. My DS is older than your DS, so my experience is bound to be different to yours but hope it helps.

LaTristesse · 22/12/2010 08:20

Thanks CoonRapids, I love hearing these kind of success stories - they make me feel so much better about starting this! Well done you!Smile

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emmie31 · 22/12/2010 19:51

Hello, I'm just marking my place as the advice on here sounds brilliant and will definately be trying this after christmas... thank you Smile

sheeplikessleep · 22/12/2010 19:59

DS2 is 9 and a half months. Up until a week or two ago, he was being fed to sleep and waking about twice a night, sometimes 3 times. He was also being fed to sleep for his naps (still is - next thing to be tackled!).

What we did ...

DH went in at every waking. He picked him up / cuddled him / rocked him when he got really upset.

When DS2 calmed down, DH put him back in the cot and patted his back / shushed. If DS2 got worked up again, DH picked him up and repeated - cuddled / rocked etc, until DS2 calmed down and then he put him back in the cot. Main thing was that DS2 was being put back in the cot awake. There was crying involved, but I wanted either me or DH to be with him through it (I am BFing and DS2 doesn't settle as well for me). Basically, when he got v distressed, DH picked him up and comforted him. When he was crying, but not very distressed, he was in the cot with DH sat next to him.

First night, it took 2 hours. Second night, it took 2 hours. Third night, he woke twice - 5 minutes and 10 minutes each time. Fourth night, he slept from 7pm until 6am. He has now slept through until at least 5am for 3 nights.

He does still sometimes wake, but he cries for like 30 seconds, before getting back to sleep. The times when he cries for more than 5 minutes, DH goes in to settle him again.

After Christmas, I have to do the same with naps, eek!

CoonRapids · 23/12/2010 21:04

That sounds similar to us sheepliessleep. We were putting DS down after feeding him, rather than feeding to sleep or lying with him. Then I would leave him for a couple of minutes with him crying. Then went in and when he started to lie down and settle I would stay with him until he was asleep. I felt that that way I was rewarding him settling, rather than crying. Then a week later, I was trying to progress to him going to sleep without me in the room. By then there was a lot less crying involved and the process a lot quicker. I don't want to be complacent, as it's only 10 days in, but tonight he self settled without crying for the first time ever Smile. Naps aren't so good I have to say, mainly because we're still often out and about so he naps in the buggy or car.... Over Christmas we've got a night away and am worried about him sleeping over at family's house. He sleeps in a toddler bed and so whether he'll settle in a travel cot will be interesting!

Good luck LaTristesse - I'm mainly posting because I really thought we would never get through this and have spent so much time over the last year worrying. So I'm very surprised now.

LaTristesse · 31/12/2010 09:33

Morning everyone,

Just to let you all know, particularly you Practically..., that after stalling again for a few days with starting my DS's sleep training (I realised it was as much about me 'letting go' this snuggly phase of DS's babyhood), I finally took the plunge 2 nights ago!

And although the first night was one of the hardest of my life (he did cry a lots, and it was heartbreaking to experience), we have made definite progress already. Last night, although he woke several times, he was able to get himself back off very quickly, and even managed it twice without me at all! And there was a huge reduction in the crying last night too which was a relief! I'm also delighted to see that he doesn't hold it against me during the day - I was worrying he'd never forgive me!

So thank you SO much for your advice and support; it's been absolutely invaluable in giving me the emotional strength to get started on this, and the practical strength to see it through!

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PracticallyImperfectInEveryWay · 04/01/2011 07:08

Hi LaTristesse, first time back on for me since Christmas but so glad to hear that you have made some progress!

Well done to your little one too, he sounds like he is a superstar with it.

As for the snuggly part, I did initially miss that part of rocking DD to sleep (although not the part of her waking when I put her down!!). However, she has recently learned the word 'cuddle' and will quite happily comply with each request and gives me an lovely big one before I put her in her cot and sucks on the side of my face (her version of a kiss Grin). And then she quite happily goes in her cot with me there while the star plays music.

Well done again, it's great news!

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