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Advice on independent holiday with young children

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expectingagain · 03/12/2010 01:16

I'm planning on going skiing with DH and 3 x DC aged 5, 3 and 1 we've done mark Warner and ski famile in the past with 2 DC, but now we have 3 and are restricted to school holidays we're trying to keep costs down. The plan is to travel independently, rent an apartment and combine ski school and kindergarten and possibly a local nanny. Has anyone any experience and tips in this. The French seem to manage it, but it seems an alien concept to us Brits. Is it possible to do this and actually enjoy the holiday and get any skiing in? Also do the children have a good time without the kids clubs. I know they'll have others to mix with in ski school but it won't be the same. Leaving them behind or bringing grandparents isn't an option. Any advice would be great.

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natation · 03/12/2010 05:49

It's very very easy to do you own holiday, the hardest bit for me was doing the research to find the best resort for what we were after.

You are spot on, very few French do package ski holidays, the only significant market there is Club Med up-market, just like your Mark Warner and Ski Famille. Many French do self-catering apartments when they have children, often is quite small apartments too (you get m 3 with descriptions). There is a multitude of companies to choose from.
www.goealia.com
www.odalys.com
www.maeva.com
pv-holidays.com
This is just a selection of them. A family of 5 could get an apartment for as little as ?300 a week.

French school holidays are quite significant in terms of how busy a resort will be and how costly lessons and accommodation will be. The most cost-effective week for UK school holidays this year is the week inculding Christmas and the first week of Easter.

Many of the resorts well-known to Brits are also the most expensive. There are tons of resorts where you can go a whole week with hearing only a few British accents in the resort, to keep costs down, this is where to be.

For travel, either drive or fly using a low-cost airline, such as Easyjet into Geneva. Flights from ?50 return. Transfers cost from ?50 return. Another option is the train, connecting in Lille is best with small children as Paris involves across town station transfer. You could go to the Chamonix valley, valley with la Plagne, Maurienne valley. You would pay for just 2 adults and 1 child, costs could be as little as ?400 return from Lille.

Cheapest ski school is always ESF, combined often with a "garderie" nursery either next to the under 6s slope or nearby. ESF ski school starts at ?90 for 6 days of 2-3 hour group lessons. Garderie starts at around ?3 for an hour. This is where many Brits have the greatest problem, where the language and cultural barriers combine and many are unable to cope. For childcare, your alternative is a local English speaking babysitter, you will find an agency for these recently posted details on mumsnet. Or you alternates child care between parents, one skis morning, the other afternoon. For the ski school, there are ESI ones too, add an extra 50%ish upwards to ESF prices, because of extra cost, French are unlikely to ever use these ski schools, means numbers are kept down, more likely to find an English speaking instructor.

Finally. www.peakretreats.co.uk do self-drive and accommodation only and their website is an excellent research tool. Ususally once you have a shortlist of accommodation, you can find cheaper prices for your choices by booking direct eg they market Goelia, PV, MGM, Odalys apartments, sometimes their special offers makes their prices cheaper.

You should be able to put together a week of skiing in France, lifts passes, ski hire, transport, accommodation, ski school and garderie, first week of Easter, all for easily less than ?1600 - 400 per person (1 year old free for everything except child care). We manage it all for ?350 per head and have never gone over that budget.

expectingagain · 06/12/2010 22:56

Thank so much natation, we've booked our train travel - sleeper down to bourg-st-Maurice, now just need to do accommodation. I'd heard of pv but none of the others so that's really helpful. You said about hiring an english speaking babysitter - do people hire these during the day, rather than nannies? I always think of babysitters as being an evening thing. I'm really impressed by the budget you manage. Next year if I can book my train tickets earlier I may be able to manage it.

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preghead · 06/12/2010 23:26

We are thinking of doing this too after ski famine last year to les gets same age children. Would this resort be too pricey as would like to go back? What are the cultural problems with garderie nursery? 5y old would be ski school in the morning so mainly need childcare for 3y old and baby. 5y old some afternoons maybe. They don't speak much French but are familiar with it from French speaking relatives and attend nurseries at home.

preghead · 06/12/2010 23:26

Ski famille!

natation · 07/12/2010 09:38

For Bourg St Maurice, you are next to Paradiski area and ski passes are free to under 6s so ideal for your family, only 2 adult passes to pay which should set you back from 200 to 250 euro for 6 days per adult, depending on which pass area you choose.

Paradiski is made up of :
La Plagne (Belle Plagne, Bellecote etc), Les Coches, Arcs (1600,1800 etc), Peisey-Vallandry. All these areas are a short transfer from Bourg.

ESF Ski school costs from 110 euro to 150 euro out of French school holidays for 6 half days. Les Coches and Peisey are the cheapest, Arcs and La Plagne are most expensive. But unfortunately Peisey does not do ESF ski school for 3 year olds.

There are plenty of self-catering apartments with www.odalys.fr, www.maeva.fr, www.pv-holidays.com and a lovely place in Peisey right next to ski school, garderie and lifts with www.vacances-lagrange.com though that one is a bit pricey. I'd try and get a ski-in-out apartment as near to the ski school of your choice.

Someone advertised an English speaking nanny service here recently, I think "Alpine Child Care" or similar. I always use the local garderies. Yes the cultural differences at a French garderie, children tend to follow a set routine, snack at 10am, lunch at 11.30am, bed for 2 hours, snack at 4pm etc, but my children have never stayed all day and are too old to sleep, just guessing the routine inlcudes sleep for the younger ones. Children are not loved any less there than elsewhere in the world, just that some Brits may see the regime as too rigid and tough. I have no problems with it myself.

natation · 11/12/2010 10:02

Just found a lovely place to stay in La Rosiere, also near to Bourg, following someone posting about la Rosiere on another thread.

It's just 15 euro return per adult and 10 euro per child by Altibus transfer from Bour train station.

chaletlepanoramic.fr/index.php?lang=uk

Very cheap ski school, opposite these apartments, special offers for multiple ski schools, special rates on family ski passes.

www.esflarosiere.com/ski-school-la-rosiere/cours-de-ski-enfants/collectif-enfants.jsp

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