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Original poster

Could we please have a vaccination place please..PLEASE...PLEASE...

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pagwatch · 29/04/2009 15:56

....so that all the people who want to be rude about me, be sarcastic about autism, suggest holding down my DD and jabbing her against my wishes, call me deluded or a liar can form their own club and have meetings AND I CAN HIDE IT.

Other sections are created because they are sensitive and this is now a regular and often nasty subject.

I know I can hide thread but that is always so hard once I have seen them ( and soemtimes people want advice or experiences) but it is just getting so vile now..

Please? Pretty plaese?

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ruty · 30/04/2009 22:39

no one would respect a topic about vaccination. One only has to look at the number of revolting posts on the other thread to see that.

kittywise · 30/04/2009 22:44

However revolting and ignorant they were and they really, really were, it didn't bother me oddly, because I normally get so upset about things which attack me as a parent.

But I am so utterly convinced that I am right in this matter that I am not at all bothered by their ignorant opinions.

However, I think it would be a great idea to have a space where people worried about the effects of vaccinations on their children can go. I wish I had this when ds1 was younger.

Saint2shoes · 30/04/2009 22:48

can I change my mind and say there should be one please
and mn hq should not allow the people like pagwatch to be called names.

justaboutspringtime · 01/05/2009 07:19

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saintlydamemrsturnip · 01/05/2009 07:40

You were not shouted down I just pointed out that sharing personal stories can result in a feeling of over-exposure and over my years on here I have seen people left upset by over-exposure repeatedly.

silverfrog · 01/05/2009 07:45

a section would be really good I think (and I know stuffit has been campaigning for one for ages)

the antenatal one is working out well - I am not a regular visitor, but have dipped in and out, and it seems to be a respected place.

I was very tempted, especially towards the end of the last thread, to start up a "PLEASE CAN EVERYONE TAKE NOTE - WAKEFILD'S RESEARCH HAS NOT BEEN DISCREDITED" thread, as everytime a vax thread moves into anythig even remotely resembling decent debate (and that last one did not do so often), a new rash of people turn up, don't read the thread and say "of course, the man was a ntter, his work has been thoroughly rubbished" and everyone takes that as a good enough reason to go back to the hysteria and witch-hunting/burning again.

Maybe a thread with all the research links on would be a good idea, if a separate area is refused once again.

saintlydamemrsturnip · 01/05/2009 07:49

Research links a good idea but would be a mammoth task.

slightlycrumpled · 01/05/2009 11:27

I am not terribly educated about the whole vaccine debate. However if people like pagwatch are becoming distressed at being ignored/ shouted down/ called names etc then a seperate topic would be a good idea.

It is a source of never ending confusion to me on mumsnet that people that do live with the realities of any given topic at the time, are often ignored or worse told that they are too involved to give a balanced opinion. As someone that was recently involved in a similar discussion on here it is exasperating. Why can't people accept that they are talking about things that they know because it happened to them.

ruty · 01/05/2009 12:08

not only that but the level of disrespect and disregard for people on that thread who had autistic children and who were calmly and logically trying to explain certain things, was appalling. Not only insults but dismissals followed by grinning emoticons, it really made me heave.

MNHQ

HelenMumsnet · 01/05/2009 12:37

Hello.

Yes, we think a separate topic for Vaccinations is a good idea.

We'll get onto it as soon as we can.

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pagwatch · 01/05/2009 13:05

how nice. Thank you HelenMumsnet

I appreciate - truly appreciate all the kind words people have voiced on here about this whole topic.

The thing that is hard to explain is that sometimes the vitriol that those thread cause really bothers me and yet other times it is like water off a ducks back.
What would be fantastic ( just from my point of view) would be having a specific area that I can dip into on a good day and ignore on a bad.
I was getting test results for DS2 yesterday and he has been self harming for a few days and reading the comments that were effectively 'tough' and 'we don't believe you and if we did we wouldn't care' were difficult. Yet on other days I have much better perspective about it.
the option to tune in or tune out would be heaven....

But I really want to stress that the vast majority of the time I don't really care what other people think and that my little family is much happier and much much luckier than many others . I am grateful for the empathy but not really in need of much sympathy IYSWIM . I think that is probably true of many of us affected mums

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saintlydamemrsturnip · 01/05/2009 13:29

ruty · 01/05/2009 13:35

It would be really nice to be able to have proper discussions about vaccine research, etc without having to go round and round endlessly with the same old argument. In those threads you just get somewhere with a few people when 10 other people plough in with exactly the same old argument and then you have to start at the beginning again. Bonkers. Not sure how the topic will be respected in practice though.

kittywise · 01/05/2009 13:59

wow, that's great news.

You lovely mums on that thread taught me so much because of all the hard work and research you have done over the years. I am forced to admit that my knowledge on the subject is very limited.

I should research more, but am very head in the sand about what has happened and the line I'm subsequently taking with the other dc's as a result of what happened to ds 1.

I'm sure on a personal level I will benefit greatly from having an area to go to.

I am gojng to re read that other thread as there is so much I missed out on there.

onagar · 01/05/2009 14:26

Can't we just have a seperate section for those who think that if they disagree with something it's ok to make hate posts about it. It could have a subsection called "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts"

That would have saved us having the other new section too.

kittywise · 01/05/2009 14:32

stuffitlllama · 01/05/2009 14:58

That's really great. I think it could be a place of great resource and help instead of the other.

slightlycrumpled · 01/05/2009 17:59

Justabout, I know you are now on holiday but just in case you check thread on your return I just wanted to pick up on the point you raised about the other thread. No one jumped on you but objections were made and in fact I am one of the people that mrsturnip speaks of.

I felt so over exposed, that my deepest thoughts had been trampled on that I asked for all of my posts on that thread to be deleted. Should the thread on ante natal choices be turned into a debate I shall ask for my post there to be deleted as well.

Anyway sorry about making a comment on a thread about a thread type thing but couldn't really ignore. Hope you enjoyed your hols.

Saint2shoes · 01/05/2009 18:04

slightlycrumpled so sad that you have been made to feel that way
I really do tire of the cry for people to post to educate, yet their feelings are often ignored.
I have lond since stopped posting too much info about dd(or ds nt as well, after a poster slagged him off) as it lays me too open.

saintlydamemrsturnip · 01/05/2009 18:09

I think over- exposure is a real risk on a vaccination thread because 9 times out of 10 when people ask what happened to your child they're not actually interested other than as a reassurance that it won't happen to their child. It's happened to me in rl - sat their quietly for my eye test when suddenly I'm being asked all about when did I know, how did I know, he was always odd wasn't he; then you find out their child has the mmr the next day. I was pretty pissed off tbh.

Saint2shoes · 01/05/2009 18:32

"used" is the word me thinks.
if you look at how the "sn posters" are treated on mn, the ammount of abuse they have to put up with, some of it very sick, surely to ask them to do this is just well.....sick

ruty · 01/05/2009 18:37

Yes saintly. It is absolutely shit. People outraged and calling other people selfish and then not giving an absolute crap about those who do have autistic children. the latest thread was really quite shocking in that regard.

I hadn't seen that thread slightlycrumpled. sorry it made you feel so bad.

stuffitlllama · 01/05/2009 19:06

Am shocked.. had little idea before that last thread just how unremorsefully insensitive people could be. I hope there is some kind of "safe haven" now for an exchange of ideas.

As I've never posted about mine I feel a duty to do it now, to some extent: my ds is definitely not one I could ever say with any certainty was damaged by a vaccine, particularly not MMR. But I feel quite strongly that he has been affected by mercury in his infant vaccines, he has many ASD traits, and when I started to examine the link between testosterone, mercury poisoning and the ASD condition I made connections. Which I then followed up after reading about zinc as a helpful element in removing mercury. Seeing its positive effect I became more convinced.

I find the research done by Beachcomber, Yurt and others incredibly interesting and not only that, am absolutely stunned that they do so much under such difficult personal circumstances. It's unbelievable. That's why it pisses me off so much to see such bile thrown in their direction.

I know I'm shouty and soap boxy rather than helpful and resourceful and that's not always constructive. But am so pleased this section will be there and I hope so much it will be productive and supportive.

Thankyou MN Towers.

slightlycrumpled · 01/05/2009 19:06

Yup, it's crap it really is. But you see I realise now that I belong to a different species, the 'special needs' species and that alongside our gills, tentacles and very bad breath we have the skills to have our experiences invalidated and not mind. Apparently.

I really just stick to the special needs area of the board now, I lurk in other places and post occasionally but prefer it in SN.

AllBuggiedOut · 01/05/2009 19:34

A separate section that can be hidden by those who don't want to see it every time they log on seems like a good idea to me. But I hope stuffitlllama isn't suggesting that it will also be this "safe haven" as that suggests those pro-vaccination should keep out. And that isn't what a public forum like Mumsnet is about.

A link to some of the research wouldn't necessarily be a mammouth task - but please if it is done, make sure it is to properly conducted research not to opinion pieces from non-experts.

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