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I would like to get rid of 'larger families' and 'one-child families' sections

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MascaraOHara · 05/11/2008 20:54

surely any issue raised in either of these could be raised under 'Parenting' or whatever it's called..

or maybe there should be a '2.4' board? that could pick up all those who don't fit into 'Lone Parents', 'larger' or '1 child'

Whilst I think there are issues that are specific to Lone Parents that couples don't face, I really just don't get splitting up the parenting aspect... surely either your a parent or your not, does it really matter if you have 1 or 15 children?

OP posts:
zazen · 05/11/2008 22:31

I like all the smaller niche threads.

I like the only child niche especially - though in recent weeks it's become a bit fraught.

The reason why I like the only child thread is that I have an only child, and it's not because I haven't gotten round to having more children yet. My DD will always be an only child and I like it that there is a niche area for my concerns and experience.

I do wonder why there is any tension from other posters who want to amalgamate the only child section threads back into the parenting section, but I can only think that there is a mis understanding there about what the only child section is all about:

Most of the posters who post on the only child section threads have one child and aren't going to have another.

It's not a case of first you have one child and that's an only (for a few months, years etc) then you have a 'real' family after that.

There are many sensitive toes in the only child thread section, as there are many reasons why someone is a parent to an only child - some of the reasons are out of the parent's control and sometimes out of choice. Please tread carefully if you are still building your larger family and you post in this section.

We are parents of only children. We do not intend to have a larger family and this niche thread section is important for us to discuss issues and experiences not had by parents of their 'first' child.

I find the PFB attitudes very unsupportive also. We have different concerns and experiences to those who parent more than one child, ergo, we need our own niche section to discuss those concerns and experiences in a mutually supportive and understanding environment.

Jux · 05/11/2008 22:32

This is getting stupid. Cyberspace is quite big you know - easily big enough for there to be a nice house for large families and another one for one child families. And many more houses for, oh, chicken keepers, forces sweethearts etc. not to mention large community halls and a shed in the garden for dads.

Exercise your judgement and hide the threads you don't like; then you can pretend they don't exist. Then you won't deprive people who want them while living in a world of your own where those things simply don't figure.

loler · 05/11/2008 22:32

I get very worried about posting any where - 3 is definately more than 1 so don't even go there. 3 isn't really larger so a bit scared of going there. Maybe could pretend don't have 2 ds and just go to the one child board with dd (as she is the most presentable anyway) could also go there with ds1 (as he can't dress himself - went to nursery today with top and jeans on backwards, pants like a g-string on side ways and yellow crocs on wrong feet).

What is a fecund?.....off to google it!

MadBadandDangerousToKnow · 05/11/2008 22:34

Mascara - The distinction (in my view) is between firsts and onlies. If you haven't looked at your newborn bundle of joy in the certain(ish) knowledge that it's the only baby you're ever going to have, then it's your first baby and not your only, if you get my drift. So I do get a bit pedantic when anyone says that their first child was an only child for two years, or similar; if they were sure or pretty sure that they would have more children then they weren't an only, they were an eldest whose sibs hadn't been born yet.

As I saw it, the chief point of the one child families topic was to be a place where parents of only children could hang out and swap ideas, experiences or neuroses with others in a similar situation. Maybe, though, it will evolve into something different or just shrivel up and die from non-use. As far as I'm concerned, everyone's welcome there. And as for barging, then I only count it as barging if people come on apparently with the intention of being rude and upsetting people, whether of the 'stop whingeing and have another baby' or 'all families with two or more children must live in a midden' variety. Anything else is discussion, for which MN is famous.

Gah! I'm boring even myself. The topic exists. Use it. Ignore it. As you wish. Or come and have a muffin in the cafe, where all are welcome too.

mabanana · 05/11/2008 22:36

I totally agree with OP. What a crap,silly, artificial distinction. I have three, and had one. I am a fantastic mum and a truly awful one. SN is different - ds has SN -but I could have 10 'normal' ones.

loler · 05/11/2008 22:40

First on google - "What's refreshingly different about fecund is they have creativity and enthusiasm coupled with a professionalism and an ability to deliver"

But I'm guessing that I must really be - "Just as a writer is prolific, a woman may be fecund, able to reproduce plentifully"

frasersmummy · 05/11/2008 22:43

loler..

I didnt realise till 6pm tonight that my ds had his pants on sideways like a g-string all day

I think saying there are a lot of sensitive toes in the onlies thread and we should all tread carefully is a very odd thing to stay

Surely this area is for things like "god I spent 4 hours playing bob the builder today because my ds doesnt have a sibling"

I understand that some parents have sensitive reasons (me inc) for not having more of a family but surely these kind of concerns should be raised in other areas of the board (iyswim)

MerlinsBeard · 05/11/2008 22:46

maybe it needs a name change then to only children or something so that the distinction can be made.

MerlinsBeard · 05/11/2008 22:47

there are sensitive toes in ALL areas of MN for myriad of reasons

frasersmummy · 05/11/2008 22:52

madbad

thats rubbbish.. whether someone intends to have more kids or not is irrelevant.

if you have one child then its an only child

the distinction you have made , makes your area sound very clique and elitist

frasersmummy · 05/11/2008 22:54

by your distinction I wouldnt be allowed to be part of your gang

sorry but you have done yourself no favours with this argument

MascaraOHara · 05/11/2008 23:00

I started this thread as anytime I dip into a one child thread there seems to be squabbling about who is/isn;t should/shound;t post and the validty of posts..

it's intersting to see there is so much support for them. So why is there lots of tit-for-tat on them?

I don't want to hide '1 child' thread as I only have one child.

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QuintessentialGunpowderPlot · 05/11/2008 23:03

But every multi child family will at some point have had just ONE child, unless they had twins/triplets/octuplets.... ?

MadBadandDangerousToKnow · 05/11/2008 23:05

Frasersmummy - I said it was my view. Some people agree. Some people don't. You're perfectly entitled to disagree. But describing other people's sincere (even if misguided) views as rubbish is exactly what has been generating so much heat - and no light whatsoever - on the one child topic.

The area isn't 'mine'. It's for anyone who wants to use it. It isn't cliquey or elitist. It's to discuss some fairly specific issues which arise when one's child is going to go through life without siblings. I can only speak for myself, but I'd be glad to hear from anyone with anything constructive to contribute. But I will probably give more credence to people who have been in approximately the same place as me and whose children have been in approximately the same place as mine. In my humble opinion, a child who was a singleton for two years until their first sibling came along is not in anything like the same place as mine, who is now 7 and will never have a sibling but, frankly, I'm bored with debating this.

I've said my bit. I'm going back to Gardening.

MadBadandDangerousToKnow · 05/11/2008 23:13

frasersmummy - sorry, posted that before I saw your second post.

It's not my gang but you're welcome to join it. All I'm saying is, please don't (assuming that you have more than one child) say that your oldest was an only for x months or years. Or, if you do, don't expect me to agree with you. I think 'only child' means something very specific. That's all. If they are reasonably polite and have something interesting to say I'm happy to see anyone posting anywhere.

TheWheelsOnTheBusHaveFallenOff · 05/11/2008 23:15

I really really wish the whole ongoing argument about whether there should be an "Onlies" topic or not would just stop.

THere are lots of niche subjects on the board, no-one seems to knock the chickens and forces and lone parents and gay parents etc. But for some reason there was a lot of dissent about the only child list when we first asked for it ... this in turn fostered resentment, defensiveness and counter argument.

The onlies posters tried to make it more positive, more challenging comments ensued, followed by more retaliation, taken outside of the topic list. Now we're at the point where many of the "onlies" people feel rather picked on and this is proving the point in our minds that we need to stick together in the face of criticisms of our lonely children, pfb children etc etc - which I think is NOT where most of the 2+ children are coming from, but is being taken as such.

Would be really lovely if everyone stopped picking at everyone else over this, and we called a truce. People who have a useful point of view regardless of the number of their children could offer advice to those wondering how best to manage their smaller families, no-one is saying the topic has to actively exclude those with more than one child - but we really don't need criticisms or sniping of the fact that we have only children, or have our own particular concerns about having only children.

In case anyone is wondering, I have one child who is likely to be an only because I was widowed whilst I was pregnant. Meeting other people online who can offer advice about how best to answer insensitive RL questions from strangers about "when are you having another one" etc (to give only one example) is helpful, supportive and reassuring in the extreme. As someone who always thought they would have two children, who came from a 2-child family and viewed only children families with suspicion, getting a positive view and some support is fantastic. And having that support in one easy to find place rather than in the parenting section, where active conversations may get nudged down the list very quickly, is also very helpful.

If you bothered to read all of this then hopefully you will be bothered enough to put this very odd divide to one side now, let the onlies topic alone and equally for the onlies posters to call a halt to defensive counter-arguments and pre-emptive posting trying to state our "case" outside of the topic. Thank you.

MadBadandDangerousToKnow · 05/11/2008 23:26

Wheels - I quite agree. I'm back to Gardening now.

Fillyjonk · 06/11/2008 11:09

I think either

we keep the onlies topic

AND we have a 2 child topic

AND a 3 child topic

AND a 4 child topic (pos a 4 child + topic)

OR scrap the lot

I agree, parenting is parenting. Its not like you CAN'T ask the questions. Its whether you need your own special enclave to do so.

QuintessentialGunpowderPlot · 06/11/2008 12:13

Can we have a chocolate topic?

expatinscotland · 06/11/2008 12:14

here here!

Fennel · 06/11/2008 12:17

Let them all be, all the niche threas, you don't have to read them or post on them.

I never had just one, not really, was pregnant again by the time dd1 was 8 months old. But I have loads of friends with onlies and it does have different issues from having several.

But scrap G&T instead - now that one does annoy me rather too much.

captainmummy · 06/11/2008 12:21

I didn't even know we had an only-child topic until I was sucked into that thread, by the insulting and inflamatory title. I don't check what section the post is in before I read it, I'm more likely to check how many posts I will have to wade through as my criterion of whether to open it.

(over 100 - no.)

QuintessentialGunpowderPlot · 06/11/2008 12:23

Oh Expat! Is your bundle out? You home already??

Congratulations!

Mulansmum · 07/11/2008 00:33

Just to echo what I said on the other thread calling for the elimination of the topic ...

The One Child Family topic won't be scrapped. It's ticking along nicely now. In fact, thanks to it being in active convos so much these past few days, a lot people who didn't know it existed have come aboard and started some interesting threads. The fuss will die down and the people who want it will use it and the people who don't can ignore it.

Chill

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