Why was my thread on Feminism : Sex and Gender just deleted?

[JamieCannister]

As above. Why was my thread on Feminism : Sex and Gender just deleted?

I genuinely cannot see what I did wrong to cause a deletion, I wish someone could explain please?

It’s been deleted so I have no idea what it was about!

I was hoping a mumsnet mod might be able to help! I will not post what it was a about in detail, but in broad terms it was about categorisation and asking the best, fairest way of categorising people who identify as trans (we all know that the motivations / issues that trans people face are not identical).

In some respects it was a "what's a good way of speaking in order to be clear and truthful and not insulting or abusive?" thread

In some respects it was a "what's a good way of speaking in order to be clear and truthful and not insulting or abusive?" thread

I bet

Hello @JamieCannister thanks for posting. We removed your thread because, in our view, it risked being interpreted as dehumanising or as a sweeping negative generalisation about transgender people, regardless of your intent.

As Justine recently outlined, hosting these conversations has, at times, brought considerable external pressure. We continue to host them and in return, we ask users to stick to our rules.

Thanks for replying.

It is 100% clear that "transgender" people - in order to have any claim to rights or dignity - need to be defined, and that seems to be "self ID" according to trans people.

Self ID trans people clearly include predators, trans maxxers, autogynephiles, transvestic fetishists and all sorts of people with issues including MH issues or trauma response. This is well documented (by academics and trans people themselves) and uncontroversial.

I cannot see how it is a problem to try to work out a way of classify these people into respectful, accurate goups. To work out if there is a way of classify all of the non-sexually-motivated MH issues / illnesses / diversity into one group, and how that groups should be described in a way that is accurate and respectful.

This is a fascinating topic. I had been wondering whether there was somewhere this was explored. I have trans friends, going back decades. There used to be a division between transwomen where it appeared to be so deep seated that it seemed innate, and fetishists who were not accepted for transition. But I have known two autogynephiles who benefitted from therapy and transitioned to be happy and easy to get on with.

I have just seen this reply... yes, I find if very fascinating.

It is fascinating that some people seem to accept that "gender dysphoria" is real (and assume that pandering to it must be the best option for the individual, even though we don't affirm the man who thinks he's Napoleon)

There is a psychologist on twitter who thinks "trans type psychosis" is a better all-encompassing definition.

Then one can make all sorts of arguments.

Are autogynephiles and transvestic fetishists predators by definition (or predators by definition the moment they take their paraphilia public with non-consenting strangers, or the moment they enter women's spaces)?

Are autogynephiles and transvestic fetishists mentally ill by definition?

Should a predator who wears a dress but is lying when he says "I am trans" be regarded as trans or not?

Is there an argument that (to a greater or lesser extent) all trans people are predatory and mentally ill, and the only additional questions are whether they are also victims and/or paraphilic (men) or also victims (women)?

Are you trying to start the same thread again, in your replies to this thread?

I am interested in the (as I see it) perfectly legitimate topic of what "trans" is and how to best (ie accurately and respectfully, using words which are 100% honest whilst not being unnecessarily offensive) categorize the various groups which fall under the label (we can all agree that autogynephilia and transvestic fetishism exist and that middle aged AGPs and autistic teen lesbians have nothing in common).

It is a debate that happens all the time on twitter. GC Psychologists cannot agree, let alone psychologists generally.

I am fascinated by the distinction between developmental issue, mental illness and neuro-diversity and how that plays into the subject.

I think talking about "trans people" is almost meaningless as the group is so diverse.

I am also interested in mumsnet's moderating policy, and genuinely believe that the last thread must have been deleted by someone over-moderating deliberately or by mistake (reading quickly and misinterpreting what I said) but I cannot be sure.