Corpus 2

[TokyoBouncyBall]

A summary would be good and I might do one later but Aston, data scraping, astonishing lack of contrition…

I don't suppose this has any legal status but

I do not consent to Aston University using any of my posts on Mumsnet, either under this username or under any other user name.

I do not consent to Aston University following the link to my historic posts on another site linked to when a mentally unstable person from that site followed me to Mumsnet and screenshot a link.

I do not consent to Aston University using my posts on any other site they may have arrived at by following comments I have made on Mumsnet.

I do not consent.

No means No.

I seem to have use the word 'link' slight too often for graceful prose, but what the f.

No means No

Apologies for quoting such a long piece of text, but I cannot get my head around a Phd citing a 2001 paper (and not the law) as support for a current data collection method when both the law and the technology have substantially and subsequently changed in the last two decades.

To me, this hints at disingenuous and duplicitous rationalising. It’s as if Eden is aware that they fully intend to reach their pre-determined conclusion before even beginning to collect the data. That is not research.

Eden would’ve greatly benefited from an attempt to deconstruct and recognise their confirmation bias. Eden may well benefit from reading about methodology more widely (perhaps Nikki too) including Popper*. In any event, I’ve come away after reading that foi feeling rather dismissive of linguistics as a discipline if this represents its standard calibre of research.

*If we are uncritical we shall always find what we want: we shall look for, and find, confirmations, and we shall look away from, and not see, whatever might be dangerous to our pet theories. In this way it is only too easy to obtain what appears to be overwhelming evidence in favor of a theory which, if approached critically, would have been refuted.

What these utter fruitloops don't seem to realise, is that if you frame completely normal ideas like, I don't know, not wanting kids sterilised or not wanting rapists in women's prisons as 'far right' or 'transphobic' then at some point normal people are just going to say 'well fine, I guess I'm far right or transphobic then'.

Hence the rise of the 'far right' across Europe in the recent elections.

This PhD won't be worth the paper it is crayoned on.

Am adding to note the irony of Aston legal person adding this to their letter: The contents of this email and any attachments may be privileged and are
confidential. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the
addressee, nor copied in any way.

And assert that the contents of all my MN posts and any attachments may be privileged and are confidential. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the posters on the same thread, nor copied in any way.

Hopefully the last bit covers cutnpasting as well as data scraping.

Fwiw Ms Palmer, Aston University and any person, department or organisation associated with them does not have my permission to use anything I have posted or will post, under any guise, on Mumsnet or any other SM.

perhaps for our next name change we could all take on various monikers featuring names used by staff at Aston University?

That way anyone googling say, the vice chancellor of Aston’s name online, or the head of forensic linguistics will find loads of statements re: lesbians not having penises.

Mumsnet does very well in the search engine rankings, so we could easily become the top hit.

🤔

Eden might also take a look at Emile Durkheim's The Rules of Sociological Method, of which I only remember (some decades after reading it) that one must eradicate one's preconceptions.

A quick google produces this:

Durkheim wrote, "The first and most fundamental rule is: Consider social facts as things." This implies that sociology must respect and apply a recognized objective, scientific method, bringing it as close as possible to the other exact sciences. This method must at all cost avoid prejudice and subjective judgment.

I do not grant permission for what I write now, will write & have written on Mumsnet, under all my usernames, to be taken, copied or used in any way by any other party.

I do not grant permission for what I write now, will write & have written on Mumsnet, under all my usernames, to be taken, copied or used in any way by any other party.

I could quote this until the end of time. am certain they will give no hoots and to me, that is so wrong.

I do have an exceptionally pretty new user name though thanks to a post above should I wish to reaffirm my opinion that women don’t have male genitalia.

And that despite beliefs to the contrary, people cannot change sex.

My reasons for repeatedly stating my lack of consent are moral as well as legal.

I have been posting here for 7 odd years and a large percentage of my posts are about the gender distressed teen in my
life. Most of those posts have been made in solidarity with other mothers/fathers/aunties/grandparents/family friends as we try to find ways to support our beloved children who are grappling with gender non conformity, body hatred, eating disorders, autism, adhd, social anxiety, emergent same sex attraction, bullying and academic struggles.

Mx Eden Palmer wants to use these posts (made in LGBT Children and Feminism sections) to construct some sort of half baked witch-hunt to prove theyself, what? A saviour of vulnerable children whose parents cruelly deny them medically unnecessary breast and genital amputations?

My love for my child is not a Hate Crime.

I am grateful to Mumsnet for hosting a conversation of mutual support between parents and sympathetic non-parents, women’s rights campaigners and concerned professionals.
I consent to Mumsnet using the content I have generated in ways that either sustain Mumsnet’s financial viability, thus keeping the site free to use for other mothers like me, or in research projects that Mumsnet has expressly approved in the belief that the research is helpful for parents and/or women.

I do not consent for Aston University to use any of the content I have authored, at all, for any reason, but I especially object that Aston intends to use content created by MN users to defame Mumsnet the Company and to accuse me and other users of committing Hate Crimes (or contributing to Hate Crimes committed by others).

I post here because I LOVE my child and want my child to grow up in a healthy body. My child is not allowed to smoke, drink alcohol, get a tattoo, stay out after 10pm or get a backy on a friend’s motorbike. My child is encouraged to eat whole foods and be active, be cautious around animals and always keep in mind a safe route home.

The injustices currently inflicted on gender distressed children are coming from the adults who lie to them and claim that changing sex is possible, those who normalise parental alienation and encourage teens to run away to glitter families, those who convince children that becoming a life long medical patient is desirable.

I posit Eden Palmer and Aston University are, in their pursuit of using Mumsnet for this PhD thesis, going to become complicit in the medical abuse of children and vulnerable adults. Smearing responsible and loving parents, professionals who fight for adequate safeguarding and women’s rights campaigners as transphobes and hate crimers will actively harm GNC & T identifying minors, not help them.

If Aston publish any of my words under any of my (possibly 100+) user names I will not hesitate to explore legal remedy, or alternatively make the whole lot of you look like absolute arseholes in a tabloid newspaper, whichever feels most satisfying
at the time.

Not wanting my child to amputate her breasts is not a hate crime.

Many good points.

I want to add that I do not consent to any student of linguistics, be they at school, undergraduate, postgraduate or post-doctoral level, using any material generated by me and posted on Mumsnet under this name or any other name as a basis for their coursework, assignments, presentations, or publications.

Since it seems to be that time of year again.

@AstonUniversityScrapedMyCorpus have been in a very similar situation too, and particularly agree about your last sentence. I've cried so many times about that very thing.

This is grim Aston. You really want to be supporting this research?

If Aston publish any of my words under any of my (possibly 100+) user names I will not hesitate to explore legal remedy, or alternatively make the whole lot of you look like absolute arseholes in a tabloid newspaper, whichever feels most satisfying^ at the time.^

Not wanting my child to amputate her breasts is not a hate crime.

If Aston at all believed they would have consent of posters in this research, they would have asked.

One of their other students referred to in the first thread did an exemplary job of working with MN and posters to gain permissions and preserve anonymity. That was in 2016 if I recall and it was about motherhood. So it’s not like no-one ever considered these issues at Aston, but for some reason, they are now choosing to ignore the excellent practice which one of their former students established and has published on.

I also think AstonUniversityscrapedmycorpus (with apologies for the missing capital letters) makes an excellent point about MN supporting research which benefits parents, mothers, fathers, families, children and so on. Clearly when posters agree to the terms and conditions, this is what they expect - that their posts are part of the product, yes, but one which helps other women (including mothers), plus parents and carers and people needing support, sustain the business which MN is and the support it provides and generally be ‘for’ mothers and parents and carers. The PhD I refer to was in that spirit.

If the premise of the PhD was at all reasonable, then why didn’t they just ask permission? Because they knew MN would not consent.

AstonUniversityScrapedMyCorpus · Today 16:23

My reasons for repeatedly stating my lack of consent are moral as well as legal.

^I have been posting here for 7 odd years and a large percentage of my posts are about the gender distressed teen in my
life. Most of those posts have been made in solidarity with other mothers/fathers/aunties/grandparents/family friends as we try to find ways to support our beloved children who are grappling with gender non conformity, body hatred, eating disorders, autism, adhd, social anxiety, emergent same sex attraction, bullying and academic struggles.^

Mx Eden Palmer wants to use these posts (made in LGBT Children and Feminism sections) to construct some sort of half baked witch-hunt to prove theyself, what? A saviour of vulnerable children whose parents cruelly deny them medically unnecessary breast and genital amputations?

My love for my child is not a Hate Crime.

How very eloquently put, your whole post, but the above really stood out, for me.

Along with other posters here, I also state that I do not consent to Aston University using, copying, quoting, or otherwise usilising any of my posts, past or present, in any way at all. I further refuse consent for them to try to cross reference my writing here with posts on any other type of social media and especially not to try to identify me in real life.

@DrBlackbird "cutnpastin" I know we're not happy with Aston but calling them cutns seems a bit rude.

😆

Only realised what it looked like after I posted 😏