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"boomer" thread

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Maireas · 28/08/2023 20:29

You've hidden this evening's offensive, ageist thread, stereotyping "boomers". Will this be deleted? Can we have a robust response to ageism on MN?

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Jamielikescheese · 29/08/2023 14:42

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Brefugee · 29/08/2023 14:45

WarOnTheSlugs · 29/08/2023 14:07

Nobody is saying they are. But that doesn't mean that economic and social trends do not exist. It would be impossible to do any kind of analysis of social or economic trends without considering general attitbutes, attitudes, average incomes or wealth etc at different times and in different cohorots, as an average. For anybody to take personal insult from that because they happen to be an outlier is bizarre, because there will always be outliers.

the best one is still the class analysis.

Which is why i (and thanks to the pp, i am well aware of what some people mean by intergenerational wealth gap, nd i am aware that other people take it to mean simply the oldies are hogging everything, hence my comment) i am not really interested in sweeping generalisations about "boomers" many of whom came right at the tail end and still had to use an outside toilet among other privations, while Thatcher and her mates were already living the high life.

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 29/08/2023 14:46

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As a linguist I'm going to educate you.

Because fucking hell, you need it.

What's the difference between "old women" and "younger women". Any idea?

I'll tell you. You have no idea how old anyone is on here. You are not the arbiter of when a woman becomes old. You are not the arbiter of anything, or anyone. You, in that one statement have said that "old women" are wrong. And that "younger women" are not.

Ladies.

JFC. Could you be any more patronising if you tried? The usage (not use, look up the difference) of the word "ladies" is used generally by the same "cohort" that think by saying "I'm not racist but" they get a free pass to be racist. No, you don't.

I've been on MN since 2004. I don't need somebody like you telling me how to use this site. And some posters on this thread have been here a damn sight longer than me. They don't need your patronising, stereotypical, offensive generalisations either.

CaptainMyCaptain · 29/08/2023 14:47

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Who has made ageist statements about young people on this thread? I certainly haven't.

Brefugee · 29/08/2023 14:47

"ladies" 😡
#NoThankYou

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 29/08/2023 14:47

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Could you show us where there are any ageist comments about young people on this thread?

AuntieJoyce · 29/08/2023 14:48

CaptainMyCaptain · 29/08/2023 14:47

Who has made ageist statements about young people on this thread? I certainly haven't.

All of us apparently

CaptainMyCaptain · 29/08/2023 14:50

Brefugee · 29/08/2023 14:45

the best one is still the class analysis.

Which is why i (and thanks to the pp, i am well aware of what some people mean by intergenerational wealth gap, nd i am aware that other people take it to mean simply the oldies are hogging everything, hence my comment) i am not really interested in sweeping generalisations about "boomers" many of whom came right at the tail end and still had to use an outside toilet among other privations, while Thatcher and her mates were already living the high life.

Besides which not all of my generation and older voted Thatcher in, not even the majority. I think she had around 33% of the vote - the other 77% voted for a variety of parties and due to our First Past the Post system she gained power.

StopStartStop · 29/08/2023 14:50

justasking111 · 29/08/2023 14:19

Maybe next door to gransnet.

I tried gransnet for a while. It was full of people with ridiculously cruel attitudes to children eg if they cry in the night, lock them in their rooms so they can't come to you.

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 29/08/2023 14:51

StopStartStop · 29/08/2023 14:50

I tried gransnet for a while. It was full of people with ridiculously cruel attitudes to children eg if they cry in the night, lock them in their rooms so they can't come to you.

Was it aye.

Brefugee · 29/08/2023 14:52

is there an actual "gransnet" or is it a subset of one of the boards here? (I'm not a gran and not likely to be so it doesn't speak to me)

Jamielikescheese · 29/08/2023 14:53

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TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 29/08/2023 14:55

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So if I hear someone being racially offensive or calling a disabled person names, I don't get to step in because I'm not part of the conversation.

Sorry, my morality is better than that.

WarOnTheSlugs · 29/08/2023 14:55

@WarOnTheSlugs has been inundating this thread with post after post when a separate thread to discuss inter generational wealth disparity would be a far more appropriate home for this.

Just a few posts in, the OP posted:

"It's so offensive, to be stereotyped as greedy, stupid, selfish women, deliberately ruining society for the next generation, basking in our undeserved riches. Unacceptable."

My posts have been to explain why many younger people feel such resentment towards the Boomer generation, as a whole. The economic facts are undeniable. Social attitudes and the general trend for dismissiveness of younger people's concerns (well demonstrated in many posts here!) are also well-documented. These things are not "prejudices", they are established factual phenomena.

Boomers - as a cohort - have been exceptionally greedy and selfish. Have made life more impoverished for future generations than needed to be the case: other policy choices for completely foreseen problems were available. They do tend to be disparaging to younger people, have a total inability/ refusal to understand the struggles they face which are objectively proven to be much more difficult and give them fewer opportunities to become successful, for home ownership, for social mobility, for affluent retirements, for working abroad etc... than they had themselves. Younger people are faced with a much higher cost of living relative to salaries, a much higher tax burden, a much more uncertain future, crumbling infrastructure, failing services, underfunded education, all for far more tax than Boomers paid.

This is fact.

And many here seem to be unwilling to accept that as a generation, you are responsible for the situation you leave behind for your children. The Government of the day can only operate within the possibilities that global economics/ geopolitics dictates at the time however, things in the UK are much worse for current adults and likely those who are children now when they become adults, as a direct result of choices that this cohort made. Largely for their own benefit, when it was crystal clear at the time that not acting on these issues when it should have been done would impoverish their children and grandchildren.

That is why there is such a high level of intergenerational inequality in the UK. It's a problem in many advanced economies because economic conditions globally are less favourable now, yet many countries who also foresaw this acted upon it: their Boomer generations did something to ensure a decent future for children and grandchildren, as much as one can. They invested in infrastructure and power generation and education and a sustainable healthcare model and social care model and a fair tax system operated on a household basis without the distortions we have and decent childcare systems and pension systems that aren't ponzi schemes and paid taxes commensurate to what their own costs to the state would be over their lifetimes.

The refusal to accept that Boomers did not do enough - anywhere near enough - to ensure decent living standards for those following behind, and the self-righteous blaming of those who are younger for not being able to fix all of the foreseeable and foreseen problems they allowed to come to fruition, is the reason for resentment.

Someone upthread stated that more older people vote. I countered that younger people have nobody to vote for because no political party is proposing policies that will help younger people (particularly adults in their late 30s/ 40s who have been hammered the worst: graduating in the global financial crisis, no real-terms pay growth whatsoever during their working lives, then Covid, Brexit, mortgage hikes, increased taxes...).

Perhaps if older people genuinely DO care about the prospects of their children and grandchildren, they would be pressuring politicians to do something to help the Millenial cohort that have been royally stitched up? To introduce policies to help them? Are any of you who proclaim how it's not your fault and you wanted a better life for future generations doing anything to campaign for policies to help us?

CaptainMyCaptain · 29/08/2023 14:56

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I was under the impression that by taking part in this thread I was part of the discussion.

Jamielikescheese · 29/08/2023 14:57

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Maireas · 29/08/2023 14:57

@WarOnTheSlugs : how do you know what any of us are doing, politically and socially?
Something of an assumption that none of us are engaged and campaigning.

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TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 29/08/2023 14:58

Brefugee · 29/08/2023 14:52

is there an actual "gransnet" or is it a subset of one of the boards here? (I'm not a gran and not likely to be so it doesn't speak to me)

There's an actual Gransnet.

I just had a look to find all the vile ageism towards younger people.

Guess what? 😂 I tried, but couldn't find them.

It looked alright. From the thread titles it could almost be a slightly more intelligent form of MN. Lots of threads about politics (and not one extolling Brexit or the Conservative party) and current affairs, books, the arts etc. Tbh, it looked a bit like MN Active did some years ago.

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 29/08/2023 14:59

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Dyslexia has nothing to do with your semantic and lexical choices.

I called you out on your attitudes.

CaptainMyCaptain · 29/08/2023 15:03

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 29/08/2023 14:58

There's an actual Gransnet.

I just had a look to find all the vile ageism towards younger people.

Guess what? 😂 I tried, but couldn't find them.

It looked alright. From the thread titles it could almost be a slightly more intelligent form of MN. Lots of threads about politics (and not one extolling Brexit or the Conservative party) and current affairs, books, the arts etc. Tbh, it looked a bit like MN Active did some years ago.

Maybe I will fuck off there then because I am getting might sick of being blamed for all the evils of the world on this thread.

AuntieJoyce · 29/08/2023 15:04

WarOnTheSlugs · 29/08/2023 14:55

@WarOnTheSlugs has been inundating this thread with post after post when a separate thread to discuss inter generational wealth disparity would be a far more appropriate home for this.

Just a few posts in, the OP posted:

"It's so offensive, to be stereotyped as greedy, stupid, selfish women, deliberately ruining society for the next generation, basking in our undeserved riches. Unacceptable."

My posts have been to explain why many younger people feel such resentment towards the Boomer generation, as a whole. The economic facts are undeniable. Social attitudes and the general trend for dismissiveness of younger people's concerns (well demonstrated in many posts here!) are also well-documented. These things are not "prejudices", they are established factual phenomena.

Boomers - as a cohort - have been exceptionally greedy and selfish. Have made life more impoverished for future generations than needed to be the case: other policy choices for completely foreseen problems were available. They do tend to be disparaging to younger people, have a total inability/ refusal to understand the struggles they face which are objectively proven to be much more difficult and give them fewer opportunities to become successful, for home ownership, for social mobility, for affluent retirements, for working abroad etc... than they had themselves. Younger people are faced with a much higher cost of living relative to salaries, a much higher tax burden, a much more uncertain future, crumbling infrastructure, failing services, underfunded education, all for far more tax than Boomers paid.

This is fact.

And many here seem to be unwilling to accept that as a generation, you are responsible for the situation you leave behind for your children. The Government of the day can only operate within the possibilities that global economics/ geopolitics dictates at the time however, things in the UK are much worse for current adults and likely those who are children now when they become adults, as a direct result of choices that this cohort made. Largely for their own benefit, when it was crystal clear at the time that not acting on these issues when it should have been done would impoverish their children and grandchildren.

That is why there is such a high level of intergenerational inequality in the UK. It's a problem in many advanced economies because economic conditions globally are less favourable now, yet many countries who also foresaw this acted upon it: their Boomer generations did something to ensure a decent future for children and grandchildren, as much as one can. They invested in infrastructure and power generation and education and a sustainable healthcare model and social care model and a fair tax system operated on a household basis without the distortions we have and decent childcare systems and pension systems that aren't ponzi schemes and paid taxes commensurate to what their own costs to the state would be over their lifetimes.

The refusal to accept that Boomers did not do enough - anywhere near enough - to ensure decent living standards for those following behind, and the self-righteous blaming of those who are younger for not being able to fix all of the foreseeable and foreseen problems they allowed to come to fruition, is the reason for resentment.

Someone upthread stated that more older people vote. I countered that younger people have nobody to vote for because no political party is proposing policies that will help younger people (particularly adults in their late 30s/ 40s who have been hammered the worst: graduating in the global financial crisis, no real-terms pay growth whatsoever during their working lives, then Covid, Brexit, mortgage hikes, increased taxes...).

Perhaps if older people genuinely DO care about the prospects of their children and grandchildren, they would be pressuring politicians to do something to help the Millenial cohort that have been royally stitched up? To introduce policies to help them? Are any of you who proclaim how it's not your fault and you wanted a better life for future generations doing anything to campaign for policies to help us?

Please just give it a rest. This is not a debate thread on this point. You’ve made your point over a dozen times now.

greenhydrangea · 29/08/2023 15:04

WarOnTheSlugs · 29/08/2023 14:55

@WarOnTheSlugs has been inundating this thread with post after post when a separate thread to discuss inter generational wealth disparity would be a far more appropriate home for this.

Just a few posts in, the OP posted:

"It's so offensive, to be stereotyped as greedy, stupid, selfish women, deliberately ruining society for the next generation, basking in our undeserved riches. Unacceptable."

My posts have been to explain why many younger people feel such resentment towards the Boomer generation, as a whole. The economic facts are undeniable. Social attitudes and the general trend for dismissiveness of younger people's concerns (well demonstrated in many posts here!) are also well-documented. These things are not "prejudices", they are established factual phenomena.

Boomers - as a cohort - have been exceptionally greedy and selfish. Have made life more impoverished for future generations than needed to be the case: other policy choices for completely foreseen problems were available. They do tend to be disparaging to younger people, have a total inability/ refusal to understand the struggles they face which are objectively proven to be much more difficult and give them fewer opportunities to become successful, for home ownership, for social mobility, for affluent retirements, for working abroad etc... than they had themselves. Younger people are faced with a much higher cost of living relative to salaries, a much higher tax burden, a much more uncertain future, crumbling infrastructure, failing services, underfunded education, all for far more tax than Boomers paid.

This is fact.

And many here seem to be unwilling to accept that as a generation, you are responsible for the situation you leave behind for your children. The Government of the day can only operate within the possibilities that global economics/ geopolitics dictates at the time however, things in the UK are much worse for current adults and likely those who are children now when they become adults, as a direct result of choices that this cohort made. Largely for their own benefit, when it was crystal clear at the time that not acting on these issues when it should have been done would impoverish their children and grandchildren.

That is why there is such a high level of intergenerational inequality in the UK. It's a problem in many advanced economies because economic conditions globally are less favourable now, yet many countries who also foresaw this acted upon it: their Boomer generations did something to ensure a decent future for children and grandchildren, as much as one can. They invested in infrastructure and power generation and education and a sustainable healthcare model and social care model and a fair tax system operated on a household basis without the distortions we have and decent childcare systems and pension systems that aren't ponzi schemes and paid taxes commensurate to what their own costs to the state would be over their lifetimes.

The refusal to accept that Boomers did not do enough - anywhere near enough - to ensure decent living standards for those following behind, and the self-righteous blaming of those who are younger for not being able to fix all of the foreseeable and foreseen problems they allowed to come to fruition, is the reason for resentment.

Someone upthread stated that more older people vote. I countered that younger people have nobody to vote for because no political party is proposing policies that will help younger people (particularly adults in their late 30s/ 40s who have been hammered the worst: graduating in the global financial crisis, no real-terms pay growth whatsoever during their working lives, then Covid, Brexit, mortgage hikes, increased taxes...).

Perhaps if older people genuinely DO care about the prospects of their children and grandchildren, they would be pressuring politicians to do something to help the Millenial cohort that have been royally stitched up? To introduce policies to help them? Are any of you who proclaim how it's not your fault and you wanted a better life for future generations doing anything to campaign for policies to help us?

You do have a bee in your bonnet. It's Millennial, by the way.

Jamielikescheese · 29/08/2023 15:07

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jeffgoldblum · 29/08/2023 15:08

May I enquire who these boomers are?
I'm totally confused!
What age are the people you are talking about @WarOnTheSlugs ?

Insommmmnia · 29/08/2023 15:11

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you want mums net to ban people

Where have I said this?

you have all descended into ageist statements about young people

where is my ageist comments?

What you accuse them off some of you are doing now and I have seen you do on posts.

Show me my my posts where I have done what you are accusing me of

you seem to have missed the hypocritical nature to this thread.

Where have I done this?

Why do you think your behaviour is any better?

What behaviour of mine?

A thread has been created complaining about ageism

A thread was created to ask for the deletion of a thread that went against MN rules which MN subsequently deleted

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