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Porthia · 21/06/2023 17:45

It’s pretty well documented that the way to get your baby the best gut start is via breastfeeding. This image makes it look like bottle feeding is the answer which is irresponsible.

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User19844666884 · 22/06/2023 19:25

Porthia · 22/06/2023 19:14

I suggest anyone who is asking why this is an issue read The Politics of Breastfeedinf by Gabrielle Palmer and / or Breastfeeding Uncovered by Prof Amy Brown.

There is a reason why it’s illegal to market baby formula.

This is not about judging or shaming families for feeding their babies in any way that works for them. It’s about ensuring that as many as possible have the the information and support that they need - without companies making an enormous profit from those choices.

If you formula fed your baby please don’t feel bad about this. Whether you chose to do so straight off the bat or because you struggled with breastfeeding. No one should make you feel bad for that and it wasn’t my intention. However, I strongly believe that should be a personal decision for any individual family alone and that all women should have maximum support and information to make whichever choice they want - and the support in this country in general is sorely lacking. Which is one of the reasons why we have the worst rates of breastfeeding in the entire world. I also strongly believe that absolutely no one else should have a vested interest in this decision eg multibillion pound companies making a profit from selling formula and associated products. Small, insidious things like the placing of the photo in question next to that headline as part of an advert all contribute to that picture. It didn’t have to be a breastfeeding picture either - just a random picture of a baby would have been totally fine!

Well said!

SoupDragon · 22/06/2023 19:37

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ShirleyPhallus · 22/06/2023 19:38

Christ some bottle feeders really do have a chip on their shoulder on this thread don’t they; no one really cares how you feed your baby but factually breastmilk is the healthiest choice for your baby. If you cannot or choose not to then formula is, of course, fine. All this “but you’re shaming me!!!” is such nonsense

Ilovetea42 · 22/06/2023 19:40

lalalalalalaleeee · 22/06/2023 12:33

The bottle is best brigade will not accept that some people literally have no choice but to bottle feed

This is absolutely true - however, I think it's still important that all mums know their options and bf rates in the UK are really really low (for lots of reasons like lack of support/ lack of education/ lack of resources / lack of peer support) so I think the reason they are careful to advertise in this way is to try and increase bf rates because it is more beneficial to baby where its possible. That's just a fact. Saying that fed is best can actually be really detrimental to women who try really hard and struggle massively to bf and are continously told they're mad for not just giving formula, fed is best etc or for young women like myself who don't have any family members who breastfed through choice. I felt incredibly uncomfortable bf to begin with because i didn't know anyone else who'd done it.

Of course fed is better than starvation but where both are an option, then bf is proven to be better than formula for the child, that's just fact. And while I fully accept that for some women bf isn't possible or they just genuinely don't want to do it which is their choice, I do think there are more women out there who could do it but who aren't supported properly to do it. So they think it's just meant to be extremely painful, or that they're not producing enough when baby cluster feeds or weight drops, never mind the constant night waking and demand on the mother to fulfil all feeding needs. Or like me who are told in the hospital that baby couldn't latch and needed formula. I had to figure out his latch alone, in a hospital who have a lactation consultant on site who should have seen me.

Aside from that formula companies fund a huge amount of research into infant feeding and can fund a huge amount of advertising etc and that gives them the monopoly in that respect because bf is free excluding pumping equipment etc. So there's no income generating funding from bf mothers that's protecting womens right to balanced and informative education around infant feeding. So that's why they are careful about how formula is advertised.

And why saying fed is best is actually quite harmful in terms of the bigger picture because there's much more exposure to formula especially in this country, than to breastfeeding. And due to the lack of funding it means that there's really valuable research into bf that struggles to get off the ground. It's a huge discrepancy that limits womens access to fair and truthful information.

The problem really is the massive amount of pressure etc we put on women to make it work in adverse and unsupportive circumstances that leaves women who want to and are unable to bf with huge amounts of grief and misplaced guilt. Noone should feel badly about giving their baby formula if that's what they need to do. But they should be given all the info so they firstly know if they want to try, and secondly so they can get proper support if challenges arise and thirdly so they can make an informed decision regardless of what that decision is. I really think if instead of pushing fed is best, leave formula companies alone we were arguing for better resourcing for womens lactation services we'd see an increase in the number of women who are successful in breastfeeding. And I think we would also be able to be more accepting of the different ways in which women breastfeed such as combi feeding or expressing and women would be better equipped to decide what suits their family. I've learnt a massive amount from bf but there was noone coming to tell me that info, I had to go away and find it myself and I had my entire family pressuring me (even now 6mths later when I finally feel like things are going OK) to switch to formula. I mention my child hasn't slept great- it's my fault for not giving him formula. His weight gain slowed (due to tt) - I'm mad for not putting him on formula. I can't do kit days at work because I've nowhere to pump- I should be putting him on formula.

The pressure absolutely goes both ways and there's no win for women there.

DipperandMabel · 22/06/2023 19:41

Not formula! No! No! Noooooooooooooooooo!

Get a grip!

halfshutknife · 23/06/2023 06:43

The formula companies/marketing is not the problem. The problem lies in the hospitals. Pre natal midwives banging the breastfeeding drum. Post natal night shift staff offering absolutely no support to woman to feed. Infact the opposite.

Ilovetea42 · 23/06/2023 22:16

halfshutknife · 23/06/2023 06:43

The formula companies/marketing is not the problem. The problem lies in the hospitals. Pre natal midwives banging the breastfeeding drum. Post natal night shift staff offering absolutely no support to woman to feed. Infact the opposite.

That's a direct result of chronic underfunding of the NHS though. The bf workshops etc offered antenatally are l fine although not detailed enough really. But the reality is there then aren't enough midwives to offer the support women deserve when the time comes and they want to try to bf.

It's a political issue at the core of womens healthcare and it affects women right the way through their maternity experience and into the workplace when their kids end up sick more often and they are the default ones having to use leave to provide care making it harder for them to progress in the workplace.

Of course formula isn't the problem in itself, it's a useful resource that people need to have as an option, but it's not the hospitals fault either. Blame lies with a tory government who won't fund the NHS properly.

halfshutknife · 24/06/2023 00:24

I don't think it's anything to go with funding directly (perhaps indirectly) I think it comes down to the fact that some people just cannot be bothered and it's not on their agenda.
I've birthed in 2 different hospitals. Same funding, same trust, different staff, different experience.
I've also worked for the nhs for 20 years.

Cormoran · 24/06/2023 05:12

I don't see the ad anymore. I guess the Q&A has happened. I wasn't exactly following it or MN!

CovertImage · 24/06/2023 05:51

nancy2022 · 22/06/2023 06:22

I don't understand? What's wrong?

The breast feeding insisters have spotted it

GoodChat · 24/06/2023 06:09

It's not that, though, is it. It's suggesting that the best thing for baby is to bottle feed, which it isn't.

They could just use a smiling baby.

missushbbb · 24/06/2023 06:42

Porthia · 22/06/2023 19:14

I suggest anyone who is asking why this is an issue read The Politics of Breastfeedinf by Gabrielle Palmer and / or Breastfeeding Uncovered by Prof Amy Brown.

There is a reason why it’s illegal to market baby formula.

This is not about judging or shaming families for feeding their babies in any way that works for them. It’s about ensuring that as many as possible have the the information and support that they need - without companies making an enormous profit from those choices.

If you formula fed your baby please don’t feel bad about this. Whether you chose to do so straight off the bat or because you struggled with breastfeeding. No one should make you feel bad for that and it wasn’t my intention. However, I strongly believe that should be a personal decision for any individual family alone and that all women should have maximum support and information to make whichever choice they want - and the support in this country in general is sorely lacking. Which is one of the reasons why we have the worst rates of breastfeeding in the entire world. I also strongly believe that absolutely no one else should have a vested interest in this decision eg multibillion pound companies making a profit from selling formula and associated products. Small, insidious things like the placing of the photo in question next to that headline as part of an advert all contribute to that picture. It didn’t have to be a breastfeeding picture either - just a random picture of a baby would have been totally fine!

Thanks for letting us know we don't need to feel bad about bottle feeding.

missushbbb · 24/06/2023 06:44

ShirleyPhallus · 22/06/2023 19:38

Christ some bottle feeders really do have a chip on their shoulder on this thread don’t they; no one really cares how you feed your baby but factually breastmilk is the healthiest choice for your baby. If you cannot or choose not to then formula is, of course, fine. All this “but you’re shaming me!!!” is such nonsense

It's not nonsense though is it? It's someone else's opinion.

IhearyouClemFandango · 24/06/2023 06:45

Porthia · 22/06/2023 19:14

I suggest anyone who is asking why this is an issue read The Politics of Breastfeedinf by Gabrielle Palmer and / or Breastfeeding Uncovered by Prof Amy Brown.

There is a reason why it’s illegal to market baby formula.

This is not about judging or shaming families for feeding their babies in any way that works for them. It’s about ensuring that as many as possible have the the information and support that they need - without companies making an enormous profit from those choices.

If you formula fed your baby please don’t feel bad about this. Whether you chose to do so straight off the bat or because you struggled with breastfeeding. No one should make you feel bad for that and it wasn’t my intention. However, I strongly believe that should be a personal decision for any individual family alone and that all women should have maximum support and information to make whichever choice they want - and the support in this country in general is sorely lacking. Which is one of the reasons why we have the worst rates of breastfeeding in the entire world. I also strongly believe that absolutely no one else should have a vested interest in this decision eg multibillion pound companies making a profit from selling formula and associated products. Small, insidious things like the placing of the photo in question next to that headline as part of an advert all contribute to that picture. It didn’t have to be a breastfeeding picture either - just a random picture of a baby would have been totally fine!

I agree.

HighEndGrifters · 24/06/2023 06:50

I see the milky militia are out in force.🙄

nancy2022 · 24/06/2023 08:49

I tried to breastfeed. It was horrendous. Baby was screaming and crying. She couldn't get any milk. It wasn't so bad in the hospital as I buzzed for help. When I got home DH had to nip to the shop for those pre made cartons.

I'm autistic and have really bad social anxiety so with my 2nd I didn't want to stay in hospital any longer than necessary so i bottled fed. I genuinely didn't know it wasn't preferred.

I felt such an idiot buzzing for them to get me a bottle every 3 hours or so. I could tell they were annoyed.

KnickerlessParsons · 24/06/2023 09:08

What's wrong with saying "if you're going to use formula to feed your baby, then buy ours because it's really good"

People FF their babies. I did twice. It's not an evil thing to do - both were very healthy children and are now healthy adults.

JenniferBarkley · 24/06/2023 09:49

Erm. How much research have MN done before promoting this product? Because it seems way more dodgy to me than an image of a baby feeding from a bottle (and mine were both ebf).

Stinks of quasi science BS marketed at vulnerable new mums.

Ilovetea42 · 25/06/2023 02:00

KnickerlessParsons · 24/06/2023 09:08

What's wrong with saying "if you're going to use formula to feed your baby, then buy ours because it's really good"

People FF their babies. I did twice. It's not an evil thing to do - both were very healthy children and are now healthy adults.

Noone at all is saying that using formula is evil. I was raised on formula and am perfectly healthy and my mum wouldn't have been fit to feed me any other way. Its a necessary option for some mums and there's nothing wrong with that, no mum should ever feel shame about how they feed their child. It's good for women to have options and be able to make informed choices. The difficulty is that bf rates are so low in part because formula is well advertised and bf support is minimal and not well funded. And that makes it harder for women to get proper information about bf and the right support. Its not that formula is bad, -it's not - it's just that there are certain benefits that breastmilk has for babies and for mums that formula can't replicate but that doesn't take away from the fact it's a useful resource for mums who find that bf isn't for them. It's just that advertising formula is done (as with any advertising) to promote their product and make it look like the best option and not all mums get that info in the context of all the info about breastfeeding and how to do it and how to navigate all the challenges that can come with it etc. So that's why there are restrictions to try and level that playing field because WHO etc want to encourage women to try bf and try to get the overall rates of bf up because of those extra benefits. There will always be a very useful place for formula but a lot of people, myself included, now grow up never seeing anyone bf or knowing why anyone would do it or what it would be like.

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