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Mumsnet undermining breastfeeding again.

621 replies

Redebs · 12/03/2023 11:52

Just read the Mumsnet article on caring for newborn babies. It's sponsored by a bottle manufacturer.

Much of it is misinformation that will seriously interfere with mothers' success with breastfeeding. For example trying to get a feeding routine for a two month old baby. This is totally against normal practice for on demand breastfeeding.

Anyone aiming for regular naps will be seriously frustrated and will think there is something wrong with them and their baby. Night feeding is treated as if it's a massive burden that should be shared by using a bottle.The massively negative impact of inaccurate information and expectations is aimed at discouraging breastfeeding.

There's a 'helpful' link to another article on 'combination feeding' aka introducing formula, along with references to a whole lot of bottle feeding products you should buy.

The WHO condemns companies that use misinformation and pressure on mothers not to breastfeed. While it may be subtly disguised, that is exactly what articles like this are doing.

And for money.

OP posts:
Lovelyveg82 · 13/03/2023 16:15

Caviarandgelatine · 13/03/2023 16:08

She's 11, she knows what breasts are, she's not an idiot

oh dear 😂

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 16:16

Just to add ladies boobs don’t have to be one or the other. You can be sexy hot functional and a great mum. I embrace it all x

Twizbe · 13/03/2023 16:18

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 16:16

Just to add ladies boobs don’t have to be one or the other. You can be sexy hot functional and a great mum. I embrace it all x

Yes.

It's sad though when you see women being told to not use their breasts for their biological function because men won't then find them sexy (or some variation of that)

Lovelyveg82 · 13/03/2023 16:19

Caviarandgelatine · 13/03/2023 16:13

Yes to the biological view. Why on earth do people think they're seen as sexual features rather than say, ears?

Good grief

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 16:21

Twizbe · 13/03/2023 16:18

Yes.

It's sad though when you see women being told to not use their breasts for their biological function because men won't then find them sexy (or some variation of that)

Who is telling women ‘not to use them for biological function’? They are just giving them options based on circumstances/choices aren’t they?

Caviarandgelatine · 13/03/2023 16:22

Lovelyveg82 · 13/03/2023 16:19

Good grief

Good grief what?

YouSoundLovely · 13/03/2023 16:22

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 14:47

The kids will come across far worse than baby formula as they grow. Sugar…aspartame in diet drinks…alcohol….and they are the minor things:) don’t sweat the very minor risks associated with formula chick x

It's OK, my eldest is 18 soon :)

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 16:24

YouSoundLovely · 13/03/2023 16:22

It's OK, my eldest is 18 soon :)

My eldest is too :) amazing when all this is a distant and completely minor memory 😂💃

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 16:25

Caviarandgelatine · 13/03/2023 16:22

Good grief what?

That you could ever be confused why boobs could be seen as sexual things?! Of course they are 😆they can multi task though luckily like us women 😂

Caviarandgelatine · 13/03/2023 16:27

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 16:25

That you could ever be confused why boobs could be seen as sexual things?! Of course they are 😆they can multi task though luckily like us women 😂

I'm not confused as to why breasts are seen as sexual things whatsoever

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 16:30

Lovelyveg82 · 13/03/2023 16:19

Good grief

“Why on Earth do people think they are seen as sexual features rather than ears”? Ask your husband. Some find ears kinda hot though and they allow us to hear as their primary function)

ReedRite · 13/03/2023 16:31

YouSoundLovely · 13/03/2023 14:44

Well, I obviously wouldn't go out of my way to specifically tell ff mothers that information, when it hadn't been asked for. That would be nasty. But in a general discussion around infant feeding, robust scientific findings absolutely have their place.

Which scientific findings would you class as ‘robust’? As I haven’t seen findings I would categorise that way in support of breastfeeding, certainly not to anywhere near the same standard as is usually demanded to approve medical or health interventions.

MoonSea · 13/03/2023 16:33

I can't face reading too much of this thread but I agree OP. Choice in feeding is not supported by adverts.

It would be nice to see Mumsnet respond to these concerns with their defence.

Caviarandgelatine · 13/03/2023 16:36

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 16:30

“Why on Earth do people think they are seen as sexual features rather than ears”? Ask your husband. Some find ears kinda hot though and they allow us to hear as their primary function)

I'm sat here laughing

Please go back and read it again, the original post that I was quoting and agreeing with. Just read what I posted again 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 16:42

Caviarandgelatine · 13/03/2023 16:36

I'm sat here laughing

Please go back and read it again, the original post that I was quoting and agreeing with. Just read what I posted again 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Me too it’s hilarious this thread 😂gotcha x

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 16:44

I think ultimately (hopefully!!) the one thing we can ALL agree on is there should be ALL options available where possible and support to the mum whichever she chooses to do? Surely that’s the final say on it? Advertise bf and advertise ff and then the woman will choose what’s best for her? I can’t see there’s any debate to counter that level of fairness?

Twizbe · 13/03/2023 16:47

@Prochoice11 the (some variation of that) means that statements like 'I'm glad I don't have spaniel ears' 'my boobs were ruined' 'breastfeeding makes your boobs saggy' etc are all ways of saying don't do what boobs are biologically there for because you'll make them less attractive and that that attractiveness needs to be the most important factor.

bussteward · 13/03/2023 16:47

Advertise neither because feeding babies shouldn’t be a commercial proposition.

Letstaketotheskies · 13/03/2023 16:48

MoonSea · 13/03/2023 16:33

I can't face reading too much of this thread but I agree OP. Choice in feeding is not supported by adverts.

It would be nice to see Mumsnet respond to these concerns with their defence.

Yeah, don’t read the thread, especially the last 10 ish pages. It’s just the usual ridiculous bunfight. ‘Ladies of the Flies’ as a pp said. But, mumsnet have actually suspended the ad for a bit while they think about whether it’s what they want to promote. So the thread had an effect!

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 16:49

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 16:44

I think ultimately (hopefully!!) the one thing we can ALL agree on is there should be ALL options available where possible and support to the mum whichever she chooses to do? Surely that’s the final say on it? Advertise bf and advertise ff and then the woman will choose what’s best for her? I can’t see there’s any debate to counter that level of fairness?

Just gonna leave this here (no bun fight)….

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 16:51

Twizbe · 13/03/2023 16:47

@Prochoice11 the (some variation of that) means that statements like 'I'm glad I don't have spaniel ears' 'my boobs were ruined' 'breastfeeding makes your boobs saggy' etc are all ways of saying don't do what boobs are biologically there for because you'll make them less attractive and that that attractiveness needs to be the most important factor.

If a woman can fix anything that makes her feel unhappy that’s upto her. I don’t women who don’t want to change that either. If I hadn’t escaped fairly unscathed I couldn’t deal with a screwed up tummy though but again that would be my choice to fix. Luckily not something I need to do as wouldnt want the scar. Live and let live I say x

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 16:53

Twizbe · 13/03/2023 16:47

@Prochoice11 the (some variation of that) means that statements like 'I'm glad I don't have spaniel ears' 'my boobs were ruined' 'breastfeeding makes your boobs saggy' etc are all ways of saying don't do what boobs are biologically there for because you'll make them less attractive and that that attractiveness needs to be the most important factor.

I’m genuinely suprised bf has zero effect on the good old bangers but if you tell us it doesn’t then that’s great news and no one will be worried now if that was their concern 😀💪🏼

MoonSea · 13/03/2023 16:59

ReedRite · 13/03/2023 16:31

Which scientific findings would you class as ‘robust’? As I haven’t seen findings I would categorise that way in support of breastfeeding, certainly not to anywhere near the same standard as is usually demanded to approve medical or health interventions.

Breastfeeding isn't a medical or health intervention. It is the norm/standard to feed breastmilk to human babies.
What needs to be proved is the intervention of feeding babies formula instead of breastfeeding them - and the evidence is overwhelmingly that formula is more risky for a baby's health.
How much have you read about the science behind breastfeeding?

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 16:59

Just when I thought we were getting somewhere 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Prochoice11 · 13/03/2023 17:03

MoonSea · 13/03/2023 16:59

Breastfeeding isn't a medical or health intervention. It is the norm/standard to feed breastmilk to human babies.
What needs to be proved is the intervention of feeding babies formula instead of breastfeeding them - and the evidence is overwhelmingly that formula is more risky for a baby's health.
How much have you read about the science behind breastfeeding?

You’re missing the point. You can quote all the science in the world either way but ultimately it’s about CHOICE. I appreciate some would like to bf and don’t have the choice too so let’s not shove any supposed negatives of not doing so in their face shall we? It’s not very kind:/ I can’t imagine why you would do that. Everyone can read up (or not) and make their choices. As long as you did or are doing whatever works for you, why do you care what Jenny down the road is doing if she’s happy? X

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