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Dalyesque · 18/02/2021 10:51

It appears that many posts have been deleted . Why is this when the topic is clearly a very important one to women , who sáy they have no idea why it happened. Glad at least that it is still there, but the impression it gives is that there is a trigger happy moderator in charge which is regrettable .

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RowanMumsnet · 18/02/2021 17:35

We've gone through that thread carefully and deleted things that break our Talk Guidelines for discussions on this topic (please have a look at them if you're not sure about anything). This includes posts that misgender or personally attack other users or identifiable individuals, and posts that seem to us to be uncivil about this very difficult issue.

We're also of a mind to delete pile-ons on individuals, which accounts for a few of the gaps.

We've said in a couple of places recently that we want MN to be a place where opposing viewpoints are welcome. Our rationale for continuing to host this very difficult debate is that we hope dialogue between people who disagree with each other can be fruitful. We're really committed to making sure that diverse viewpoints are welcomed so long as they stick to our Guidelines.

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RowanMumsnet · 19/02/2021 12:39

Hello - the pile-on is admittedly a non-exact yardstick (if you can have a non-exact yardstick, it probably wouldn't be a very good yardstick) that goes towards civility - essentially it's about whether we think an individual, especially (but not only) someone who's identifiable IRL, is coming in for a focussed shoeing that just feels wrong. It's massively imprecise, admittedly. FWIW I don't think anyone's been issued strikes for it - it's just something we do when we think something has become too personalised and overwhelming - something lots of us have experienced and know how unpleasant it can be.

In this case we also know one of the people concerned appears to be particularly vulnerable and however much MNers may disagree strongly with someone we're sure nobody wants to contribute to someone's genuine distress and we at MNHQ definitely don't want to.

(Please don't resurrect discussion of that individual on this thread)

FWIW if you see this happening on other threads please DO report them to us - this isn't a special rule for FWR, it goes across the piece. If you're seeing something that you think is brutal and has just become a self-generating pile on, please report.

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RowanMumsnet · 22/02/2021 11:39

Hi @gardenbird48 the bit of your post we thought really crossed a line was 'I would love nothing more to never have to give transgender people another thought ever again' - it read harshly to us.

We think civility means recognising the people who make up minority groups and not talking about them as though they were 'other' or somehow inherently unwelcome. It also means not allowing negative feelings about specific individuals or campaign objectives to leak into the way the entire group is spoken about.

We know getting strikes can bring people up short, but - broken record time - this is an incredibly costly and difficult issue for us and we need users to be thoughtful and civil when it comes to addressing trans people as a demographic group or collective.

Some MNers are trans, some MNers' children are trans. MN forums mustn't be a place that feels systematically hostile to them. And of course hostility to or distaste for trans people as a group just isn't OK on Mumsnet anyway, as laid out in our Guidelines on this.

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RowanMumsnet · 22/02/2021 16:55

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So we have to be thoughtful and civil when addressing trans people but they can be as hostile and misleading as they like. The invaders on the feminism forum are being systematically hostile to women and yet they get no strikes and no bans while we get told off and banned for defending our rights. Hostility and distaste for women as a group seems to be fine with Mumsnet HQ

Nobody on MN can be 'as hostile as they like' if they break our Guidelines about personal attacks and civility, and we've mailed and suspended plenty of users from the 'other side' of the argument when they seem unable to stick to our rules. People posting within TG aren't 'invaders', though - they're MNers.

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RowanMumsnet · 23/02/2021 12:14

Rules about personal attacks and general civility in our Talk Guidelines are our bottom line, although our approach is always to look at the context and consider things in the round.

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