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MNHQ - I hope you are going to release your own statement on GMB Union

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OvaHere · 26/05/2020 10:48

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3920159-GMB-Statement-on-transphobia?pg=2

I'm horrified how little their commitment to women's employment rights matter during a global pandemic. It smacks of paying lip service to something they clearly think so little of if it can be rescinded on the flimsiest of accusations.

It's a common theme for men to punish women as a class for the perceived transgressions of a few. Almost biblical and reminiscent of the 'original sin' narrative.

Not only are GMB Union withdrawing legal advice from women here who discuss feminism they are also withdrawing it from every demographic of women who use this site.

I'm truly appalled at this behaviour whilst the country is in crisis. I hope you push back officially against this. It goes way beyond a company that chooses not to advertise - it's the withdrawing of legal advice for women who 'might' have committed wrongthink.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/05/2020 15:34

Lovely Prawn, I'm so sorry to hear this Thanks my thoughts are with you

Pertella · 30/05/2020 15:36

Prawn Flowers so sorry to hear this

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 30/05/2020 18:57

Thanks x

WhereAreWeNow · 01/06/2020 10:52

@JustineMumsnet

Quick update. We've heard back from the General Secretary of the GMB saying that they will review their decision to suspend activity on Monday, June 1 and that my mail has been circulated everyone who's involved in the decision. If they decide not to continue with the Q&A we will do our damnedest to find alternative experts to answer the queries posted on the thread.
Great news. If GMB pull out, can I put in a request for Maternity Action to run the Q&A instead? I've been a member of GMB and have also used Maternity Action's helpline and frankly I have much more faith in Maternity Action answering detailed questions about employment rights relating to pregnancy, maternity, childcare, and covid-19 than GMB. Working Families offer excellent advice too.
Lordfrontpaw · 01/06/2020 11:31

Well... dumbs fingers... they do know that ant anime army is busy with JK Rowling at the moment don’t they?

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 01/06/2020 13:13

Thank you Justine.

Prawn Flowers

JoMumsnet · 01/06/2020 17:51

Hi @WhereAreWeNow - we see you've just mentioned Maternity Action so we thought we'd point you in the direction of this thread which we posted this morning -

MNHQ here: free legal clinic with Maternity Action on maternity and parental rights at work during the Covid-19 crisis

Do feel free to join in if you have any questions. Smile

Grasspigeons · 01/06/2020 19:56

Did GMB get back to you? Do i now need find a new union (can anyone recommend one)

Gncq · 01/06/2020 20:00

Are the questions to (the spineless) GMB going to be transferred to the new thread?

WhereAreWeNow · 02/06/2020 10:22

@JoMumsnet

Hi *@WhereAreWeNow* - we see you've just mentioned Maternity Action so we thought we'd point you in the direction of this thread which we posted this morning -

MNHQ here: free legal clinic with Maternity Action on maternity and parental rights at work during the Covid-19 crisis

Do feel free to join in if you have any questions. Smile

Brilliant! Thank you! I hadn't seen this.
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 02/06/2020 11:41

Any update MNHQ?

AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 02/06/2020 11:49

Frankly I would not be terribly interested in reading what that union have to say now.

To discount so many people/potential members on the say so of the few - without actually really checking facts - is a worry.

Lordfrontpaw · 02/06/2020 13:10

I do hope its members and potential members are aware. Without members they are nothing.

Lordfrontpaw · 02/06/2020 16:37

Can I post this? Reportedly from private eye (on twitter).

MNHQ - I hope you are going to release your own statement on GMB Union
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 02/06/2020 16:41

@Lordfrontpaw

Can I post this? Reportedly from private eye (on twitter).
Do you know when that's from?
Lordfrontpaw · 02/06/2020 16:41

Interesting ... from the FT “ Mr Roache wielded formidable power within the union movement, given that the GMB is one of the biggest donors to the Labour party. It has given more than £12m to the party over the past five years, according to Electoral Commission records.”

Mumsnet I’m disappointed in you - inviting this crowd in to speak.

Lordfrontpaw · 02/06/2020 16:42

It was on twitter - must be a recent PE as he refined in April .

AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 02/06/2020 16:54

Allowing myself a wry laugh at the pay off.

The person who made my life a misery for years left with a pat on the back, a generous settlement and goodness knows what else with thanks to the same rep who took my case forward.

My case was swept under the carpet thanks to less than truthful management (cosy with same rep).

With the benefit of hindsight I would have gone straight to the police and stopped in by a lawyer on my way home.

Still. As long as the menz are ok eh?

RowanMumsnet · 11/06/2020 16:53

Hello

We received this statement today from the GMB:

GMB’s Central Executive Council - the lay member governing body of GMB - met last week and discussed our joint project working with Mumsnet.

On the back of a number of concerns from members and equality activists, the CEC voted not to proceed with our scheduled Q&A sessions.

The intention of the sessions was to reach out to working parents at a time of great insecurity - the last thing we would ever want is to cause harm or upset to our LGBT+ members, many of whom may be parents themselves. We of course apologise for any offence this may have caused.

GMB is a proud and staunch ally in the fight for trans rights. We are a member-led union that has a history of fighting for equality for all. As we look forward to Pride events this month and next, we continue to stand in solidarity with all of our LGBT+ siblings.

Justine has just sent this response (John is the acting General Secretary of the GMB):

Dear John,

We are incredibly disappointed that the GMB has taken the decision to cancel their activity on Mumsnet. We’ve wholeheartedly supported and campaigned for LGBT rights for 20 years, and our millions of users include trans people, gay people, and parents of trans and gay children, who will be bewildered by the GMB’s stance.

It’s ironic that the GMB itself, and the activists who target Mumsnet, continue to use and support Twitter and Facebook, whose moderation standards are lamentable compared to ours. The outright, hateful homophobia, racism, misogyny and transphobia that we see (and report) on these platforms wouldn’t stand for more than a couple of minutes on Mumsnet. We can only conclude the animus against Mumsnet is motivated by the fact that we are a site used overwhelmingly by women.

In that light it’s even more disappointing that the GMB, having asked Mumsnet users in precarious employment situations to share their questions, has left these women’s questions unanswered. The failure to stand in solidarity with these workers has truly surprised us. Fortunately there are other organisations that are able and willing to step up and help - because while Twitter wars rage on, parents in badly-paid, insecure work are suffering through the worst economic crisis of a generation.

Best regards,
Justine

Lordfrontpaw · 11/06/2020 16:54

Well thats a longer response than I would have written.

"Oi weasels
FUCK OFF"

BoreOfWhabylon · 11/06/2020 17:10

Good response from Justine there, I thought.

Except she should have signed off with "Go well"

Lordfrontpaw · 11/06/2020 17:16

She should have signed off with fuck off' if you ask me...

Melroses · 11/06/2020 20:47

I couldn't work out what the GMB were going on about, but Justine gave a good response.

(FO would have been a nice enhancement, but I am looking at a series of e-mails IRL with PA 'Best Regards' and grinning)

popehilarious · 11/06/2020 22:21

Fuck me, that 'statement' from GMB is absolutely woeful. There is no information being directly communicated there.

"The intention of the sessions was to reach out to working parents at a time of great insecurity - the last thing we would ever want is to cause harm or upset to our LGBT+ members, many of whom may be parents themselves. We of course apologise for any offence this may have caused."

Is the '-' meant to indicate that the second part of the sentence logically follows the first? There's no reasoning there at all. Just saying

  1. We wanted to reach out to working parents
  2. We don't want to harm LGBTQ people
  3. Sorry to ?? for any offence
(4. ???
  1. Profit)

So they can't explain why they didn't do it. Presumably they don't know why people voted 'no' and don't care.

Good response from Justine. The one up-side of me wading into the absolutely revolting tweets I found on Twitter at least meant I went on a reporting spree.

thecatfromjapan · 11/06/2020 23:26

Utterly disgraceful.

Ignoring the actual women workers on MN because of the fear of the wrath of Twitter Wokeists - most of whom won't be members of the GMB.

That's what happens when your employed staff are graduates and radically different from those you pretend to represent.

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