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YeTalkShiteHen · 30/08/2018 16:24

I’ve tweeted asking why they didn’t show up.

LemonJello · 30/08/2018 16:31

Conclusion: it’s really awkward for girls to have boundaries because it hurts men’s feelings. So why can’t we just shut up and be nice and ask about biscuits.

Mamaryllis · 30/08/2018 17:09

Statement on the other thread. Effectively ‘No safeguarding issue. Go away.’

GenderApostate · 30/08/2018 17:32

Which other thread?

YeTalkShiteHen · 30/08/2018 18:04

this thread

Absolutely disgusted.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 30/08/2018 18:07

They were expecting 'what's your favourite biscuit?' and 'how can I raise more funds at my fete for the NSPC?'... But the mood was a little more serious and Grown Up.

I think they got cold feet.

WomblingWoman · 30/08/2018 20:49

Shocking......

We don't want to answer difficult questions about safeguarding - even when that's our objective as a charity.

NSPCC - exactly who do you take guidance from regarding trans issues?

Have you considered their agenda?

What are their links to highly discredited individuals?

Two words: DUE DILIGENCE

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 31/08/2018 07:45

I am beyond shocked. What a failure when even the NSPCC will no longer engage in protecting children.

DoryNow · 01/09/2018 09:04

I just think its a shame that the opportunity to talk about the good work the NSPCC do for ALL children and families, and to use them as a valuable resource for ALL children has been hijacked by one particular group and their questions.

I don't blame them for bowing out as yet again an attempt at discussion would descend into an accusatory bun fight.

Shame.

Original poster

EmpressOfSpartacus · 01/09/2018 15:52

The question thread was available in Chat for anyone who wanted to add to it, Dory. You could have posted on it if you'd wanted.

If the NSPCC genuinely believe what they're saying they could have gone ahead with the webchat, explained their reasoning to us & then answered other questions. Or they could have said they'd respond to our questions separately, maybe on the thread.

But none of that happened, did it?

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WorkingItOutAsIGo · 01/09/2018 18:50

Dory did you read the questions? They were uniformly focused on how to protect children from the point of view of concerned parents. It wasn’t a pile on, more of a reflection that child protection is seriously under threat right now, and many many people share those concerns.

Mamaryllis · 01/09/2018 19:10

It’s a shame that concerned parents were raising safeguarding concerns with the NSPCC? I have no idea what planet you’re on, Dory, but it seems an entirely reasonable scenario here on Earth.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 01/09/2018 19:14

Oh... Not the right questions then. I that how it works?

You are so brilliant, tell us more?
Your green stop button is so so smart. How did you think it up (or was it really a cock up by the marketing dept)?
Tell us again why you are so great.
Your chuggers are so suave and charming. Can we have more on the streets please?
Where do I send my cheque?

OlennasWimple · 01/09/2018 19:20

It doesn't matter if they don't feel themselves to be experts on trans issues, and are looking for advice from groups who appear to be legitimate and able to help them. They ARE supposed to be safeguarding experts, and better placed than almost anyone to look at guidance and policies critically and say "Hmmm, this seems to be in opposition to everything we know about how we protect children and vulnerable people from harm"

TheBeatGoesOnandOn · 01/09/2018 20:40

Not posting.

DoryNow · 02/09/2018 14:08

Empress yes I was aware of the questions thread thanks but chose not to add to it as I could see where it was going. I would have liked to see a variety of questions including safeguarding which of course is paramount to their work.

Working Yes I did read the questions but didn't like the implication that trans kids are potential abusers to be safeguarded from.

Marmarylis I'm down here with the rest of you thanks
Not a shame that safeguarding was raised no , just a shame that the whole discussion was heading to be about the same topic, from the same angle.

Anyhow its all done now so no point discussing it.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 02/09/2018 15:35

Dory I hope this might be a lightbulb moment for you. I didn’t write one of those questions but I would have put my name to almost of them. The point is NOT that people are implying that trans kids are abusers. What they ARE worried about is that any abuser could CLAIM to be trans in order to get access to children and under self ID it would be impossible to identify them as such or stop them before it was too late. Current safeguarding rules prevent this - at least for the dominant abuse which is opposite sex adult to child. In this scenario which is all too likely (we see every day the lengths abusers will go to to reach children) the trans kids themselves are being used as a Trojan horse to obtain access to other children. Trans kids are set to suffer here too. I hope that might set your mind at rest.

TLDR not everyone who says they are trans really is.

Bombardier25966 · 02/09/2018 15:39

I just think its a shame that the opportunity to talk about the good work the NSPCC do for ALL children and families, and to use them as a valuable resource for ALL children has been hijacked by one particular group and their questions.

Perfectly put @DoryNow. Sadly other news agencies have picked up on the tone of the thread and reported accordingly.

www.gaystarnews.com/article/nspcc-mumsnet-child-abuse-transphobia/#gs.b7YvWIc

Mamaryllis · 02/09/2018 17:23

Lol at the utterly unexpected news that gay star news comes out as anti mums raising safeguarding questions.
In other news, grass is green and the sky is up.

DoryNow · 02/09/2018 22:17

Workingitout A light bulb moment?? Not sure whether to find that amusing or insulting that you think I am that naive.

If ANYONE sexually assaults ANY child they are an abusive pervert regardless of how they identify or what they wear & deserve every bit of punishment the law can throw at them.
But we cannot see perverts around every corner- and trans kids are being targeted by media and people as on these threads as the scaremongering continues (which also worries & scares other kids too who don't understand )
Having concerns is one thing but seeing "trans kids as a trojan horse" is another.

But the NSPCC deals with safeguarding ALL children gay, straight, trans or not & the discussion was about their work with ALL childre, not just safeguarding & that opportunity has been lost.
I am not going to argue the toss with you I'm afraid.

Bombadier Thanks.

Mamaryllis No the article is against some mums taking over the whole discussion on one topic that would have taken up the total amount of allocated time.

However you carry on thinking your own thoughts.

Signing out now.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 03/09/2018 10:13

Dory Sadly yes, you are showing yourself as that naiive.

You mentioned wanting safeguarding for all children. That's exactly what those questions were asking. There is a direct conflict between the messages the NSPCC are giving.

The word 'trans' cannot mean 'put aside all safeguarding'. It can't. When someone asks 'ok, NSPCC Pants campaign: A stands for Always remember your body belongs to you. No one should ever do things that make you feel embarrassed and uncomfortable. And N stands for No means no. You're in control of your body and the most important thing is how you feel. If you want to say no, it's you're choice, (Direct quotes) BUT children saying I don't want to shower in front of a child of the biologically opposite sex, it's making me embarrassed and uncomfortable should be reminded of respect and kindness - surely that means you should not say no, you should put the other person first, and ignore your feelings and your boundaries?' and the NSPCC won't even discuss this never mind explain it?

There is a massive, massive problem.

You're demonstrating the NSPCC's approach here. 'It's unkind and wrong of you to notice or even ask these difficult questions, we will not descend to the level of discussing them.' They won't even explain why there are no issues or give case examples - obviously they can't. Adults feeling comfortable is trumping the safeguarding of children. Read any serious case review, the feelings of adults coming before children features in every single bloody one of them. This behaviour from the NSPCC is utterly shocking. It's a betrayal of children and it's indefensible.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 03/09/2018 10:17

And the whole 'signing out', withdrawing the hem of your robe and leaving in superior disgust and disappointment without actually engaging in any way doesn't give anyone the high ground, it just demonstrates cowardice.

IAmLurkacus · 03/09/2018 10:18

Read any serious case review, the feelings of adults coming before children features in every single bloody one of them. This behaviour from the NSPCC is utterly shocking. It's a betrayal of children and it's indefensible

Very, very well said.

RatRolyPoly · 03/09/2018 10:25

There are 12 million unique users per month on Mumsnet.

How many of them signed that "debate self-ID" petition?

That's a lot of women. Many are parents.

Just remind me, how many of that 12 million signed the petition?

This is not niche. This is a nationwide scandal. We know it, you need to know it.

Nationwide, is it? Well that's millions of people isn't it! The petition was circulated nationally... How many people signed it again?

Mrbatmun · 03/09/2018 10:35

Read any serious case review, the feelings of adults coming before children features in every single bloody one of them.

This. I don't think we will ever fucking learn.