Please can we have a climate change topic?

[SilentBiscuits]

Would anyone else be interested in this?

Climate change is not an environmental/lefty issue. The effects of climate change are already affecting the developing world, and in coming years our western lives will be impacted more and more. Most importantly, it will have a big impact on our children's lives (extreme weather events, food shortages, increased migration).

As well as having this issue having little visibility on MN, it would be great if those who care about this issue could have a space to discuss climate effects, current initiatives and possible action.

Thoughts?

Totally agree with filmbuff.

I don't think a topic will help.

Science and Nature Club has few threads and that's much broader. Post in there?

I would be very interested in this - am one of the panicked and despairing and would love a place for rational discussion.

I agree that there should be a thread for the loons who are continuing to pretend that human caused climate change doesn't exist. That will finally enable the overly polite people trying to discuss the realities of climate change to ignore those people by simply referring them to the other thread.

The problem with calling it Climate Change is that it would be legitimising something which, actually, has not been verified...

The problem with calling it Climate Change is that it would be legitimising something which, actually, has not been verified...

Even those who don't think global warming is happening understand that climate change happens.

And Global Warming HAS BEEN VERIFIED, ffs.
Global warming is not a theory. It's data. It's been happening in the last few decades.

We call it climate change not to induce people in error that the warming happens across the globe. Some parts can get colder.

Even oil companies accept it's happening. Exxon is planning Arctic oil exploration based on it.

The only point that can be under dispute is how much humans have affected it.
And even oil companies have come to recognise that using up fossil fuels and releasing it's CO2 is a contributing factor.

What you're saying is similar to saying that having an AIDS/HIV infecrion prevention thread is legitimising that HIV causes AIDS. It bloody well does and it's not legitimising, it's accepting what the bloody scientists who do the damn work tell us. Because they're the ones who do know this stuff. Not opinion makers on the radio or TV who couldn't describe the scientific method to save their lives.

And by they, I mean people like me. Ordinary people who have children and do their work to the best of their ability and with the greatest possible honesty.

It's been happening across the last few decades

And you don't see the irony in what you're saying here?

First, that's not a quote from me.
Second, perhaps you'd care to explain the irony.

As long as we can discuss the positives, and the cost/benefit analysis.

Any progress on this please MNHQ?

I spent an hour looking for something like this today. I was aghast that a site set up by mums had nothing geared up to discuss one of the biggest threats there is to our children! Yes please mumsnet... a climate change and/or environmental issues topic(s) please... asap

Mumsnet admins. Fracking is about to hit almost every part of the UK. It's a horrible toxic industry that makes all sorts of claims which have mostly been debunked over the years. The main reason for Fracking is to create money. Money from the product and money from selling the companies.
But we now know, because we've managed to hold it off for almost 6 years... that:
It will not create that many jobs.
There will be little guaranteed extra energy security.
There will be no reduced prices.
Just a lot of misery and potential harm to our environment and wellbeing.
If it is allowed to be unleashed wholesale on us it may have as big an effect as Brexit. If you vote NO as a community you have it forced on you anyway. There is no longer real democracy in the U.K.
I feel strongly this is a topic that should be on the top of your list.
Please :)

I was aghast that a site set up by mums had nothing geared up to discuss one of the biggest threats there is to our children!

Exactly what I just said on your thread, Fracking. Hope to see you on the new topic soon.

Come on MNHQ!

Agreed! If fracking does take off in the way that the government want there will quite literally be thousands of wells sprouting up across the country. Experience from the USA and Australia suggests that we can expect methane contamination of drinking water, pollution of rivers and the industrialisation of some of our remaining areas of natural beauty. It's not a legacy I want to leave for my children to inherit. When people look back in a hundred years time they will wonder how on earth we let this happen.

I don't think that most posters would be interested, I fear.

You're more likely to get some excitement if you started a board on, say, supermarket food availability - e.g. lettuce and salads.

I know about fracking issues but might I ask how many UK users on this thread have purposely and permanently given up their use of eg out of season vegetables and fruit? That, if it became largescale, might be more likely to have an effect.

Cozie I think you'll be able to start that under ethical living? You might find a conversation that encompasses it has already been started.
I worry about our local farming industry in Lancashire being affected by fracking.
There are no guarantees that it won't affect soil quality long term. Injecting chemicals at high pressure into the sub strata ... such a silly thing to do..

That's true.

I'm just concerned that people will not seem to realise that everything boils down to over-consumption of resources. That's why I feel that a climate change board will not gain much support. Why should it?

I agree but over consumption would def be under ethical living?
Whereas injecting chemicals under pressure into our substrata, flaring natural gas and dumping 10,000,000 gallons of frack water into the Manchester ship canal would be under environment?

Yes they might. But if there was no need for the resource to be used then there surely wouldn't be such pressure to do it when opposed so bitterly? The two matters seem inextricably linked to me. Maybe my thinking is muddled though?

They are def linked. But for mumsnet chat purposes probably might be better if separated? :)

I see where you're coming from.

I guess that my thought is, though, that having such a topic distinct from Ethical Living would serve no real purpose - there might be one or two threads with posts effectively saying 'Isn't it dreadful?' And then the tumbleweeds would roll in.

Perhaps making Ethical Living more of a vehicle for/accompaniment to the issue of the future, including climate change, might be more worthwhile? Energising it a bit.

Cozie they are def linked. There will also be people wanting to protest against wind farms no doubt ... under a climate change topic! So it would be a mixed bag anyway. And there are some people who think Fracking is winderful btw...
Really we need a million topic headings! 😂
But I think a climate change or environmental issues one would be useful.

You've certainly energised me to visit Ethical Living. (I'd not been there before.) If only to read the threads.

www.frackfreeunited.org/

Launched today

Yes - think that would be great.