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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO

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RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 07:31

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

OP posts:
Icimoi · 19/08/2015 13:58

^Have to admit to being a bit confused how a hacker got passwords if they are only held encrypted. Some porky pies somewhere I reckon.*

They got the passwords via a separate phishing website: i.e. people tried to log in on a website set up by the hackers and made to look like the MN login website, and therefore gave the hackers their passwords. This does look likely given that they have several names repeated, sometimes with slightly different details, which would have happened when people retried logins.

Saladspork · 19/08/2015 13:58

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Minionoftruth · 19/08/2015 13:59

People are saying pre heart bleed. I can't remember my user name that far back

OneLittleLady · 19/08/2015 13:59

my name isnt on the currently published list but i have had a huge increase in spam to my registered email account including emails from what appears to be my OWN EMAIL ADDRESS. I also have not had the email from mn about resetting the password. i reset using the link in the first thread so hopefully im good but who knows right now

Carmex · 19/08/2015 14:01

WHERE is this list????

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 14:01

i said earlier don't be daft it's not a knitting circle run part time by mum's in their spare time but a proper professional business - i'm beginning to wonder. can't believe that link was posted! the management of this is a joke i'm afraid.

mn just provided a link to my and thousands of others data - not enough to have had it hacked in the first place. and the site is still up even though people are telling you that they are now abe to log into others accounts and from there into their email accounts etc? how is this acceptable?

i'm beginning to think only having criminal action taken against the site will make it be responsible.

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:02

@MissDuke

MNHQ, just to let you know that I have carefully checking my history and there is definitely no sign of 'phishing' and I always click in from a bookmark anyway. I am clueless with techy stuff, but I don't believe phishing is the cause of this.

Is it ok just to change password, or better to change username too?

Thanks MissDuke - have passed on to tech.

howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 14:03

Chat page 11, am I on the list.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/08/2015 14:04

mn just provided a link to my and thousands of others data

The data is openly posted on the internet. Anyone with the slightest ability to use the information maliciously can easily find the information whether or not MN links to it.

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 14:04

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sliceofsoup · 19/08/2015 14:04

Why did you log into their hotmail and facebook?

I would like to know too. Why? We know that this situation is dire, what gives you the right to go around logging in to other peoples stuff? Its bad enough that the information is out there, we don't need mumsnetters poking around in fellow mumsnetters accounts to prove it.

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Fiderer · 19/08/2015 14:06

homeaway: Where is the list and how do we find out if we are on it ? thanks

SarahMumsnet: You can see it on DadSec's website, homeaway

HEH? Why not direct posters to the MN thread with the list?

Here

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:07

@TheHoneyBadger

i said earlier don't be daft it's not a knitting circle run part time by mum's in their spare time but a proper professional business - i'm beginning to wonder. can't believe that link was posted! the management of this is a joke i'm afraid.

mn just provided a link to my and thousands of others data - not enough to have had it hacked in the first place. and the site is still up even though people are telling you that they are now abe to log into others accounts and from there into their email accounts etc? how is this acceptable?

i'm beginning to think only having criminal action taken against the site will make it be responsible.

Sincere apologies TheHoneyBadger; it's removed now. Because the list and link had been so widely shared on MN and elsewhere I foolishly linked to it, but you're right: irresponsible to link to it again. It's gone now.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/08/2015 14:07

I would like to know too. Why? We know that this situation is dire, what gives you the right to go around logging in to other peoples stuff? Its bad enough that the information is out there, we don't need mumsnetters poking around in fellow mumsnetters accounts to prove it.

Maybe she left information showing their account/s had been compromised? Affected people need to sort out their security, if they haven't yet, they need to be made aware. Better an MNer than some kid on a jolly....

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:08

@Fiderer

homeaway: Where is the list and how do we find out if we are on it ? thanks

SarahMumsnet: You can see it on DadSec's website, homeaway

HEH? Why not direct posters to the MN thread with the list?

Here

thanks Fiderer, doing now

NerrSnerr · 19/08/2015 14:10

Cannot believe a user logged into someone's email and FB! Wonder if they'll dm them to admit what they did?

Ifeellousy · 19/08/2015 14:10

Well in the absence of mumsnet keeping us safe I'm grateful to those who ARE showing us how dire the situation is.
The difference is that the mumsnetter who logged in to another's account has done it with the best interests of all others in mind.

sliceofsoup · 19/08/2015 14:10

Maybe she left information showing their account/s had been compromised? Affected people need to sort out their security, if they haven't yet, they need to be made aware. Better an MNer than some kid on a jolly....

No, just no. The last thing we need is a bunch of vigilante posters leaving little messages in peoples accounts.

Saladspork · 19/08/2015 14:11

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NewNameFor2015 · 19/08/2015 14:12

Is the hacker still around or is MNpostingbot just stirring?

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 14:12

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NerrSnerr · 19/08/2015 14:12

Just because it's a mumsnetter doesn't make them honest and trustworthy .They could be logging onto Amazon right now.

TallylynLake · 19/08/2015 14:13

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SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:13

@NewNameFor2015

Is the hacker still around or is MNpostingbot just stirring?

We're aware of the poster and looking into it, NewNameFor2015

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