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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO

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RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 07:31

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

OP posts:
howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 11:01

If you want mn and dadsec down phone the Police is the advice I was given by the ico.

Saymwa · 19/08/2015 11:02

I don't think you should shut the site down because when I tried to access it this morning I couldn't get in before I'd changed my password . I am happy with the decisions made by the Mumsnet team and my response to the hacker is twofold:

  1. Tell them to bog off.
  2. Stand up to them by working at not letting them intimidate us or affect our pleasure in coming onto Mumsnet.

Bog off hacker
And Flowers Flowers Flowers to all Mumsnetters who feel frightened or angry with the hacker
And Brew and Cake and Flowers to Mumsnet team.

Matilda2013 · 19/08/2015 11:02

How do we know if we're on the list? Confused

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/08/2015 11:02

In the middle of an IT security breach the Tech people will have been asked to arrive ASAP. Even in that case real life may make that difficult.

The security breach has been ongoing for days...

hashtagwhatever · 19/08/2015 11:02

I presume there are more than the lists put out there so far.

One tweet from dadsec says "sorry....you are on the list"

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/08/2015 11:03

Matilda2013 not on list

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/08/2015 11:04

One tweet from dadsec says "sorry....you are on the list"

I'd ignore his tweets TBH. He's desperately trying to whip this up into something it isn't by contacting media etc.

TallylynLake · 19/08/2015 11:05

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howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 11:05

The first thing Dadsec did was swatted mn, what was the second gift?

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 11:06

littlebear how about you just don't comment on whether i'm calm or uncalm given you don't know and it's none of your business and is totally off topic.

if they have stuff from years ago then no it can't be through fishing obviously. they won't have fished the new email/pw then gone into her account to find out the old one and published the old rather than the current.

so clearly more data has been accessed than the 'working theory' last expressed.

Koalafications · 19/08/2015 11:07

I'm actually quite pissed off about this now.

MN haven't been updating users anywhere near as much as they should be.

The whole office can't be working on this, they aren't all tech people. Who works in PR or communications?

MN was attacked as part of the heart bleed stuff last year, what improvements have they made since then?

Why were we not told that MN had been hacked when we were changing our passwords? I didn't see the sticky at the top of the thread list because there are normally just loads of competitions and surveys, stuff I'm just not interested in.

What have MNHQ done to make sure that everyone knows about this? They have sent an email? I haven't received it yet. Surely they know that a mass email may take some time to get through to all users, a bloody sticky isn't enough!

LittleBearPad · 19/08/2015 11:07

Whirly when you tried to log into MN you would have been sent to a webpage that looked identical to the normal login page and then when you logged in the page would have logged the keystrokes when you typed your username and password. Then the login would have failed. You would have likely assumed you typed it wrong when you hadn't. Hence they have your login details.

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 11:07

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Saymwa · 19/08/2015 11:09

To see if you're on the list
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2451977-Am-I-on-the-list?pg=11

madamginger · 19/08/2015 11:10

Can someone see if I'm on the list,
I've had a lot (and I mean hundreds) of spam emails in the last week, and I'm wondering if it's to do with this. I've been on holiday and missed the drama!

thequickbrownfox · 19/08/2015 11:11

Just checked - I don't have an email about this either.

What's the likelihood of this tosspot having access to our personal details (by that I mean email accounts)?

GrinAndTonic · 19/08/2015 11:11

I haven't read the whole thread (my apologies) but how do you know if you're on this list I keep reading about?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/08/2015 11:11

madamginger not on list

Kleptronic · 19/08/2015 11:11

Well what should HQ do exactly, call the army? Phone everyone? 100,000 users, right? Or announce it on the site and email people. It will take a while for 100,000 emails to go out.

Everyone try to be cool. Don't you know Jeffery's rubbing his thighs at all this consternation? It is all going to be ok!

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 11:11

faith in mn and IT would be rather delusional at this point frankly.

which is not to have a pop at them but to reflect the reality that they have utterly failed to protect data or to get abreast of what is happening or to inform people promptly and effectively and in fact are still totally vulnerable and allowing users to pass on their data on an unsecured log in page.

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 11:12

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MissDuke · 19/08/2015 11:12

Itsallgoingtobefine

Thanks for the reply. Have changed password, and the email account I use for MN isn't used for anything important so hoping it will be ok Confused

DixieNormas · 19/08/2015 11:12

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/08/2015 11:12

GrinAndTonic not on list

Monkeyinshoes · 19/08/2015 11:12

Please could someone check if I'm on the list?

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