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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO

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RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 07:31

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

OP posts:
BlanketsAndBiscuits · 19/08/2015 10:28

Now I know why my account has been locked.

So I take it all new accounts made are "safe"?

RaspberryLemonPavlova · 19/08/2015 10:29

Thank you

BrumpyGollocks · 19/08/2015 10:29

Well it does seem that most of us who use the App are not on the list,none of my usernames are on the list so I'm assuming I'm ok.
I also use different passwords for different accounts but have changed them all to be sure.

headlesslambrini · 19/08/2015 10:30

MNHQ how did he get the admin passwords? Was it through admin logging onto the fake site as the other users have done because you know, if so, that's a tad embrassing!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/08/2015 10:30

I imagine they are rather busy at present dealing with this situation so let's give them a break.

This situation has been ongoing for hours with no update. Most of MNHQ are not tech people so will not be deeply involved in this. It takes 2 mins to update users, and it is something they should have been doing regularly, and something which they never do.

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 10:30

a break? people's data is beign accessed now - if they're struggling to deal with it they should shut the site down.

can't see how that can be assumed blankets but at least your new account wouldn't have much identifiable info and you'd hopefully have made it with a dummy email.

HemanOrSheRa · 19/08/2015 10:31

i'm more concerned that some psycho may have seen his ex's old email address on that list and can now potentially (as we've seen some accounts can still be logged into with that list) be searching her posting history and messages for clues to her whereabouts now knowing her username.
I agree TheHoneyBadger. Very worrying that this could be part of a targeted attack.

Janethegirl · 19/08/2015 10:31

Am I on the list? Can someone please check for me. TIA

Higheredserf · 19/08/2015 10:31

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TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 10:31

when you win a competition and need stuff sending you give mn your address - where are those stored?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/08/2015 10:32

Janethegirl not on list

Ellle · 19/08/2015 10:32

Hi, I have just seen all this thing about a list but can't find it to see if I'm on it. Can any one check if I'm on the list? Thanks

Bellemere · 19/08/2015 10:33

No, we cannot assume new or password changed accounts are "safe". As I keep saying, the login page is still showing as being insecure.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/08/2015 10:33

Ellle not on list

Thurlow · 19/08/2015 10:33

Agree that a 2 minute quick update would be useful. I've also not had an email, so if I hadn't come on and found this out for myself, I wouldn't have known.

tribpot · 19/08/2015 10:34

One of the main things Jeffrey wants to achieve is a lot of public panicking about a security breach (I note that Channel 4 have picked the story up off Twitter and want to speak to him). Therefore one of the things MN need to be dealing with this morning is regular comms to the users.

TinyTear · 19/08/2015 10:34

Can anyone check if I'm on? I changed password a few times to a silly unique mn one but have been getting more spam recently. Thanks

iamaboveandBeyond · 19/08/2015 10:35

C&p...

Want an easy way to do it if you are on a phone/dont want to go on twitter etc?

The list has been added to a chat thread. Do an advanced search for posts by akkakk on todays date, containing "your name". If you are in the list, it will come up.

:)

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 10:35

it's best to assume at this point that the site and everything on it is insecure.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/08/2015 10:35

TinyTear not on list

Fuckityhi · 19/08/2015 10:35

Mn please shut this site down. Who gives a fuck if it's doing what he wants?! You need to keep people and their data safe!

I wonder if MN aren't breaking some kind of laws by not informing people their data has been compromised. I assume mn is fully paid up member with the ICO?

KnottyAndPistey · 19/08/2015 10:36

Hugs and gin for Justine, Rebecca and crew, what a fricking nightmare pain up the arse.

DixieNormas · 19/08/2015 10:36

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SquareStarfish · 19/08/2015 10:37

Why shut the site down? The info is out there. It's sites with the info on that need shutting down!

glasgowlass · 19/08/2015 10:37

I've been offline for a day....what's all this about a list? Can someone link to it or check if my name appears? TIA.

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