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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO

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RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 07:31

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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Mutt · 19/08/2015 09:43

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LibrariesGaveUsPower · 19/08/2015 09:43

Thank you for all those checking. Smile

iamaboveandBeyond · 19/08/2015 09:44

Binary, i'm sure that after heartbellend i tried to use the same password (as i only use it for mn anyway) and it wouldnt let me?

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 09:45

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00100001 · 19/08/2015 09:45

True mutt But only if he's logging into your account.

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 09:45

and currently a poster on this thread is able to log into people's accounts using the passwords published? why is mumsnet still up? that is insane.

Chipsahoythere · 19/08/2015 09:45

I find it strange that it was by phishing and that all the admin got phished too!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/08/2015 09:46

Or any of the numerous others who will have access to the list....

00100001 · 19/08/2015 09:46

Altinkum yes, they forced us to change the password. BUT they didn't "remember" the old one, so you could just keep it as it was. A lot of people would not have realised this was a 'thing' and might have thought it was just them being logged out again as has happened this week a lot.

I have logged in with some of the passwords on the list :(

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00100001 · 19/08/2015 09:47

perhasp MNHQ should disable (temporarily) the affected accounts?

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 09:48

bollocks was it by fishing then. and just to point out posters have had threats from men's activists groups on mn before or following seeing them on mn - they now have access to a list of email address' of mn'ers - marvelous!

can someone explain at what point mn would have to suck up losing some advertising revenue and shut the site down totally to protect people?

AldiToddlerTantrums · 19/08/2015 09:48

Screenshot of login page I got when I had been booted out in the past week.

Meant to send it to MNHQ at the time but forgot.

Will report my post.

Note: I did NOT enter the username that is shown, it just randomly appeared.

Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO
kungfupannda · 19/08/2015 09:48

I've just posted on the other thread that I've noticed that my username is spelt wrongly on the list, so clearly from a log-in attempt, and not from any other way of obtaining data.

FabULouse · 19/08/2015 09:49

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sliceofsoup · 19/08/2015 09:49

In fairness 00100001 the people using this site aren't babies, and if they have been here to change their password yesterday, then they couldn't have missed all the threads about this, the stickies etc. If they have then still used the same password, there is no talking to them. We could force them, but really, people need to take responsibility for their own security online.

MmeTunnocks · 19/08/2015 09:51

No, it won't delete PMs in other people's inboxes, Honeybadger.

SusanMichelson · 19/08/2015 09:52

Someone posted this on the other page -

That twitter account claims one of the MODS is part of their hacking group

Can MNHQ confirm that it wasn't an 'inside job' as it were - there seem to be a lot of staff there nowadays and I'm wondering if it's possible someone has got in under subterfuge iyswim, with dubious intentions.

I hope not as this would be truly horrible.

Guiltypleasures001 · 19/08/2015 09:52

Hi where is the list where can I find it please ?

Beeswax2017 · 19/08/2015 09:52

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/08/2015 09:52

GuiltyPleasures the list is on the "Am I on the list thread" You are not on it.

vvviola · 19/08/2015 09:53

Just to say, the original "you need to change you password" email that was sent out yesterday still has yet to reach me.

I know passwords have been reset, but without clicking on these threads, I could conceivably have just changed to the same password again not that I would because IT guy DH would divorce me on the spot

Guiltypleasures001 · 19/08/2015 09:54

Many thanks lovely

Minionoftruth · 19/08/2015 09:54

didn't think of that tunnocks. if they've got postcodes, full names etc and potentially addresses in pms then anyone of the DV victims on here is fucked

iamaboveandBeyond · 19/08/2015 09:55

That reminds me aldi, i kept getting "Beyond" (no additional bits) as my filled in name when i tried to log in?! I assumed i had been just Beyond at some point over the last cough years and didnt think much of it. But it isnt on my list of names.

Which is a whole new weird level of stalkery hacking and i dont want to think about it too much.