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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ!

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JustineMumsnet · 18/08/2015 15:37

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

SarahMumsnet · 18/08/2015 19:26

@Nightfall1983

Sorry if this has been mentioned but I don't have the patience (or interest) to RTFT. I've only just come across this, realised it's not me being baby-brained and forgetting my password and that I actually need to do something. Would it be possible for Tech to put a little note on the log on page, stating what's happening?

Good idea - I don't have the tools to do myself, but will ask tech to do so at the first opportunity

SarahMumsnet · 18/08/2015 19:40

@MissTeriName

CaveMum me too! Well, actually a bit more than that and I'd been pondering the coincidence.

Firstly, I run a website and have a security thing on it. It catches potential hackers trying to login and blocks them. Normally the names are standard attempts like admin, nameofsite, etc. I'd always assumed bots were doing it. But then from Friday, the attempts rose and they were all using my real full name. Different countries. Very weird, but my site security is (hopefully!) strong and nobody has gained access. Because they're now using my real name, I think these must be actual people and now it seems personal iykwim!

Secondly, a friend contacted me to say they'd received spam email from me from a very strange - and not connected to me - email address. Using my full name again, and a peculiar domain. Still pondering what that was all about.

Finally, quite a few of my friends who may or may not be MNers have reported having their emails hacked over the past few days.

Gonna change my password everywhere now though!

Hi MissTeriName and CaveMum - thanks for flagging. I'll pass this on to tech.

SarahMumsnet · 18/08/2015 19:55

@textfan

I'm not sure there was any point in posting something that would only cause alarm and exactly the effect the hacker would hope to achieve. but that needs to be balanced against letting mners know there is an issue and to be cautious. Was there communication to all police forces that there were 2 swatting incidents?

You knew someone had accessed a mumsnetters real address and did nothing.

I too am thinking about setting up a unique email just for mn if I even continue using which I'm also considering and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Getting hacked, changing passwords is an inconvenience, having armed police turn up to a house with children in is something else entirely!

He does say that it does seem apparent that MN don't really know what they are doing with regard to security given the explanation here. that's been my feeling too.

I agree passwords need to be more complex too or even randomly generated.

MNHQ presumably has some sort of SOPs in place for a cyber attack, I'm not convinced they do. If they do it needs a major review.

There is an entire CANYON of difference between feeding a troll/giving it attention and keeping your members informed without directly lying to them via short status updates.

Also the information isn't being given in the areas most mners access most often. I get why more in depth explanations be put in "site stuff" but in order to let as many mners know as possible it does as a pp said it would be best to also put on the home page and aibu and chat.

You're right that we needed to balance the need to keep users informed against the possibility that we'd cause alarm/give the hacker what he was after, and tbh that's what we tried to do. Sorry if you don't think we got it right. In terms of whether the two police forces involved communicated what had happened to all UK polices forces: I'm not sure. That would be down to internal police practices; I imagine they have structures in place that determine when crimes are flagged to other forces.

Tech will be looking at options for passwords over the coming days.

We've stickied this thread at the top of active conversations, AIBU and chat as well as Site Stuff, and of course we sent emails to all members.

SarahMumsnet · 18/08/2015 19:58

@ScrambledSmegs

WrenNatsworthy is right, it's impossible to delete or even edit your children's details if you put them in. Can you please change this MNHQ? I want to delete DC's details asap for security reasons. Thanks.

Sorry about this, ScrambledSmegs - I'll report to tech now

SarahMumsnet · 18/08/2015 20:00

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

and of course we sent emails to all members.

I have not received an email?

That's very odd - we sent an email to all registered users. Is it possible it's gone to your spam folder, or you're registered with an old email address? I'll let tech know anyway - very sorry you didn't get it.

SarahMumsnet · 18/08/2015 20:02

@Minionoftruth

aren't our date of births on our profiles too? So name, date of birth, email and postcode Sad Could he have possible got addresses from the surveymonkey stuff for product tests or is that seperately held?

Hey Minionoftruth - no, we don't store any of those addresses in the database, so there's no way he could have got those.

SarahMumsnet · 18/08/2015 20:22

OK - thanks loads for letting us know about the emails. Will look into that as a matter of urgency - and very sorry to those who didn't receive a mail from us. There wasn't any extra information in there, just fyi, so you're all up to speed; the mail was pretty much an exact replica of Justine's OP. But again, apologies that some of you didn't get them.

SarahMumsnet · 18/08/2015 20:30

@00100001

Why oh whhhhhhhy has the question of complex passwords not been answered MNHQ?

It's something tech are planning to look at, 00100001

RebeccaMumsnet · 18/08/2015 21:01

Hi all,

We have had a large volume of emails tonight about all of this, please bear with us, we will get back to you as soon as it's possible.

RebeccaMumsnet · 18/08/2015 21:15

@cleanindahouse

Is it just me that wonders if jeffrey has all of mnhq tied up while he wickedly posts as various staff members.

Colandular did warn us...

Cubes of poo, yoni massage etc, we're here Grin

SarahMumsnet · 18/08/2015 21:51

Hey everyone, quick word back on the emails - have spoken to tech. We have indeed sent the emails to everyone, but we've been around for a while, so have a LOT of users, and it seems it may be taking some time to work through the list. Very sorry some of them are taking a while to get through, but please don't worry if yours hasn't arrived yet; there's nothing sinister going on

SarahMumsnet · 18/08/2015 22:12

alas, cozietoesie, I am the proud owner of an 8mo who likes to start the day at 5am. It's peppermint tea or bust for me Grin

SarahMumsnet · 18/08/2015 22:15

@ouryve

SarahMumsnet the email hasn't reached me, either. Current, reliable address.

tech assures me they're on their way, ouryve - it's seems that it's just taking a while for some of them to get through as our list of registered users is so long.

SarahMumsnet · 18/08/2015 22:32

@CloserToFiftyThanTwenty

I agree with Maryz and others that waiting a week to tell us that something more sinister has been going on is unacceptable. I know that there is always a judgment call to be made re timing, and telling people that there is a problem when you can't answer questions can cause a bit of panic. But I don't see why you couldn't have put something up that said "We think that we have resolved the key problems caused by Jeffrey, but Tech is still working on a few loose threads. We will come back with a fuller explanation of what went on when he has finished on that, but in the mean time we are taking the precautionary measure of making everyone change their passwords. We would also like to remind everyone about basic internet security (don't use the same password for everything; make your passwords complicated etc etc etc)"

We understand why you're upset, CloserToFifty, but we think we made the best calls we could with the information we had, in the moment. The swatting side of things had to be dealt with separately due to the involvement of the police, and we were confident (and remain confident) that the hacker found the two addresses via Google, not us, so the swatting didn't itself ring alarm bells about passwords. It wasn't that we waited a week to tell you there was something more sinister going on; until Sunday, when we became aware of further activity by the hacker, we weren't aware that there was anything more sinister going on. At that point, we needed to investigate as thoroughly as possible behind the scenes without alerting the hacker to what we were doing, and as soon as we came up with a plausible theory, we posted. As I said upthread, it was a constantly shifting situation, and we did our very best to balance all the competing considerations.

JessicaMumsnet · 18/08/2015 22:33

@CantSee4Looking

HQ why is it when you click to login in when you click a link from talk or something like that, that you get a whole heap of extra in the url?

eg: www.mumsnet.com/session/login?target=%2FTalk%2F_chat%2Fa2444911-Ask-a-stupid-question-free-from-judgement%3Fmsgid%3D56180726

I was on the thread reading it when logged out and clicking the log in button on the top right corner gave me this url.

when I was on talk and tried to log in there was stuff connected to talk in the URL.

Are you saying that these should not be used and only the linked log in url in the op must be used.

Hello there,

We append all of that extra info to the url so that we can redirect you back to the page you came from once you've logged in. If you're curious it's called a query string and v common practice to include extra info not really part of the url. You'll see it on searches and e-commerce site too.

Note that the url still contains the crucial 'https' so all is well. Smile

JustineMumsnet · 18/08/2015 23:37

@CloserToFiftyThanTwenty

SarahMumsnet Thanks for your reply - having done more than my fair share of emergency comms in my time, I think we will have to agree to disagree.

Anyway.... Any chance we can have a webchat set up with a proper internet / social media security expert? Ie one place where we could ask questions (like if we sign into a site using Facebook are our accounts then linked in some way?) and share tips and advice on keeping safe and secure online

Yes we will certainly get on this - great idea. Thanks for the suggestion.

JustineMumsnet · 19/08/2015 00:32

@BunnyFint

Wtf! I'm on there too, with my old password! MNHQ, I thought they couldn't get our passwords?

As said in my OP Bunny, we don't store plain text passwords in our database but encrypted ones. Our theory is that some form of phishing has been used on our login page to derive user passwords. This is why we asked users to change passwords today. The published list contains old passwords (before today's forced reset) so this is consistent with the theory.

JustineMumsnet · 19/08/2015 00:39

The best advice remains to reset your password and followed our instructions:
do check the URL of the login page. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning.

Better still use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

JustineMumsnet · 19/08/2015 00:56

@DuelingFanjo

I don't think it's 4chan's fault, just that 4chan sometimes attracts people like dadsec - they weren't that impressed. I have screen grabs if useful to mumsnetHQ

Thanks - would you send over to contact us and we can give heads up to anyone affected?

JustineMumsnet · 19/08/2015 01:00

@SecretNutellaFix

Not necessarily true about the mod btw- might just be being said to freak us out

Bear in mind MN mods don't have access to user passwords - they're encrypted, so this seems unlikely explanation.

JessicaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 01:10

@MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig

I'm on the mobile site, how do I see the https address? It just comes up with www when I select the search bar.

Hello, it is hard to see sometimes with some browsers, eps mobile. If you have concerns try highlighting the url - that usually reveals the full url including the http part.

JessicaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 02:19

@wickedlazy

Can they get access to your facebook information if you log in to mn through it? (No idea how it works).

We don't have access to your Facebook details, those social log ins are widely considered to be very safe.

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