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MN hq, In light of recent postings on various parts of the site, can we please have an all-round discussion around conduct, authenticity and where we, the users stand?

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WannaBe · 21/10/2014 14:14

It’s fairly evident that there has been an increased influx of threads perceived not to be genuine of late. It has got to a point where people are hiding certain sections of the boards, sections which should be there to offer support but which are actually becoming a bit of a breeding ground for highly emotive threads which, after a day or two, turn out not to be genuine and then disappear only to be replaced by another one of the same type.

The problem with this is that there seem to be more “what happened to x thread?” posts on those boards now than threads themselves, which has totally taken away the supportive element to certain parts of the site.

This has come to a bit of a head last night because an extremely sensitive thread has been closed due to doubts about its authenticity, but the thread itself is still there for anyone to see, but subsequent discussion about the thread in question has been deleted due to it being “a taat.”

I appreciate that it’s not always possible to know whether a thread is genuine and that sometimes truth can be stranger than fiction.

I also appreciate that we as grown adults are responsible for our own reactions to what we read online and that we should never share more than we can afford to lose.

But in the real world you know that it’s not always that simple. Because people do read threads and do identify with them on a personal level, or empathise with an op, and feel the need to offer support. And when it turns out those threads are not genuine, people feel as if they have needlessly offered of themselves to support someone whose situation was never real.

My personal view is that certain threads shouldn’t be allowed to stand regardless. Threads such as suicide ones where posters are neither emotionally equipped or professionally qualified to deal with someone on the end of a keyboard. There are numerous support sources out there for people with such severe mh issues that they feel their only hope is suicide. MN is IMO not nor should it be considered to be one of them.

The reality is that we are a parenting forum. Many parents will go through other issues such as mh issues, but in truth mn’ers cannot be all things to all people, and removing a suicide thread does not mean that mn is an unsupportive environment, it simply means that mn is not equipped to deal with a suicidal poster and feels that they would benefit from professional help. In addition to this, removing such a thread protects those posters who have either had similar thoughts, or have personal experience of suicide, and at the same time reduces the types of topics which people can post vampiric threads about.

Added to that, if a thread is considered to not be genuine and is deleted, removing discussion of it will not take away the thought of it, and the more threads are deleted with discussion being stifled, the more resentful posters will become, and the less likely to post on discussion threads.

People want to talk about threads. Not least because most people are here because they enjoy being here, and feel they offer something when posting in support. If you take that away from people by stifling discussion (however unpalatable some of that discussion is), people will start to go elsewhere, or simply not post anywhere.

In addition, if you refuse to discuss suspected troll threads, leave emotive but locked threads on the boards, people will just continue their increased belief that there are more trolls than regulars and will see mn as a non worthwhile place to post. A fantacist’s corner, as it were. Is that really how you want mn to be perceived? Because atm it seems like it is a novel writer’s paradise on relationships with a touch of bitching thrown in for good measure on ibu.

TheLateKateMumsnet · 21/10/2014 17:47

Hi everyone,

Thank you for all the points you've raised. As we said here, we are currently in discussions with Samaritans about what would be the best practise for us in regards to suicide threads. We'll come back to you as soon as we reach a clear consensus, and let you know what our thoughts are.

We've now deleted the suicide thread that we had previously suspended - as whilst we not entirely sure what was happening on that thread, we agree it's probably best removed, rather than suspended.

On the subject of TAAT - whilst we don't condone threads becoming protracted attacks on other posters, if you're discussing a thread that we've deleted for being misleading (and we've said as much in our deletion message), then we've not going to fall over ourselves getting rid of troll hunting (which is why this has been left as it is,, plus, it hasn't been reported to us as a TAAT)

We know it's been a bit more trolly recently (our big red button is vair tired), but we do think that generally Mumsnet is a great place for people to post and get support. And the reason it's so great is because of YOU. Yes you. Right there. It's your wonderful threads and posts that make it a good place. So whilst all the annoying threads are indeed annoying, please don't lose heart.

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 22/10/2014 00:07

@QuintessentiallyGhoulish

I wonder if this guideline not to trollhunt is really working.

Maybe I shall start rebelling and yelling TROLL on a regular basis from now on.

PLease don't do that.
Please do REPORT anything you think we need to see
THanks v much

RebeccaMumsnet · 22/10/2014 10:15

Morning all,

Many thanks for your feedback. We are reading it all and we will keep you posted when we have spoken to the Samaritans.

And Maryz we are hearing you...

"I keep saying this - there is a difference between "I'm feeling suicidal, come and hold my hand" and "I'm just about to kill myself, hold my hand while I die".

A massive difference."

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