Why was the latest "inclusion" thread (Staffroom topic) deleted?

[bialystockandbloom]

Blimey, I'd just written a calm and eloquent post, and pfft, it had gone. With a deletion message that it was deleted because "it wound up some parents".

FFS how about being deleted because it was yet another recent example of prejudice and disablism? No bloody wonder it "wound some parents" up, the OP was offensive and ignorant in the extreme.

MN this is so disappointing. Why is it the parents who are trying patiently to explain yet again about life with SN who get stamped on?

It was needlessly goady and if it was written by an actual teacher I'll eat cat litter.

Yes but it was apparently deleted not because it was goady or a wind-up, but because it "wound some parents up and that is not the spirit of MN"

If that's not the spirit of MN then what's AIBU all about then?!

It wasn't even that argumentative - no-one was rude or personal, and actually it might have been helpful for others to read more about inclusion as a subject.

Hmm, just checked the deletion message, you're right.
Sigh, who knows.
I find it vile that they deleted that thread about Victoria Beckham as "she's a parent and a woman" but the one about the "thick, fat woman" is ok to stay.

I'd just like to see more decisive deletions on disablist threads with the message saying it was deleted because it was disablist... instead of the faff that's usually put saying that it wasn't in the spirit of MN or because it wound up parents.

Call a spade a spade, please.

I was told it was deleted as it was offensive and would upset people.

Which is true.

I had reported it

I'm pretty confident that poster is a teacher.
It was a good example of how easy it is to dismiss opinions you find .... difficult (euphemism) as trolling. Goady, maybe. Fictitious ... no. Sadly.
Personally, I think that thread should have stayed. I found it shocking but a reminder of the sort of shit parents ( and children) have to contend with.
That said, if parents of children with SN wanted it gone, then fair enough.

Alice you're absolutely right. Deleting it because the OP was offensive and disablist is fair enough - but why for this reason?

Fanjo the thread about a similar subject is still running in the Staffroom topic, it is equally offensive. I can't understand the inconsistency. It actually would've been a good opportunity for MN to remind people about the TIMC campaign?

It is wonderful it went.

Saved many people several hours if not days of being upset and arguing.

Ah. I'm on about a different thread, I see. Which is still there.

I think that was actually why it was deleted but yes the deletion message should have said that.

Would be good if other thread went too iMO.

I posted on that thread earlier today but when I went back just now it had gone. I don't think OP was a troll, sadly, but it does depress me that there are teachers who think like that.

The OP of the longer running thread is definitely not a troll.

Not a troll Fanjo, but a longstanding wind up merchant who has been getting less and less funny over the years.

It's a difficult one though. If it's an obvious troll-type OP clearly there as a wind-up to get to people, that's one thing. But sometimes it might be someone who really does have dreadful views who actually needs to be told, and educated. At least, even if they're not, there might be other posters who realise things they weren't aware of before.

I s'pose I'm also of the mindset (esp tonight) that blasting an ignoramus with a rational and knowledgable argument that is so clearly right is sometimes the only way forward to show them what a total arse they are. I'm not afraid of an argument But obviously that's just me, others might be more upset.

The inconsistency of MN is astonishing though.

I have seen people brought really low by such threads I suppose.

And have been too although I am tougher now and also don't engage so much.

thecat the threads are of a pretty similar ilk actually. Which again makes me wonder why that one is still there while the other one isn't - and the remaining one is much more heated than the deleted one.

MN obviously don't worry if a thread is actually offensive, or disablist - only if it is perceived to be.

Yes you're right. I haven't been on MN for a while, so came back fresh to educate fight, and I've usually got a pretty hard skin, but there've been a couple of threads in the past which have really upset me too. Reminded me that I must not rise to it.

I agree with you Bialy, we need to debate these things if we want people to change their mindsets and I don't really understand the justification for pulling that thread and leaving the other one running, but then it didn't have that many posts on it when I posted and I don't know what happened afterwards.

I do see your point too.

It would be best to educate people in an ideal world.

It just doesn't seem to work as more just come along so I feel now instant zapping is better due to the cost to people's feelings.

But I see the alternative view as very valid too.

That things should be left, I mean

I just can't help it though, I love that that thread is gone. :)

Feels like a nicer place if such views aren't tolerated.

But the views still live on I know

Yes. As a teacher though, it really depresses me to see fellow professionals who should know better openly espousing views like that.

missmillament I don't think it was even that heated a discussion, certainly not a bunfight.

But fanjo I see your point too, and spose it wouldn't have riled me if MN deleted it because the OP was so clearly offensive, and if there was consistency.

Hey ho. Another day, another idiot to come along, no doubt Night all.