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Are Mumsnet rules just for the little people?

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Penandink · 12/02/2012 14:54

"Troll cries make MNers look silly. If you think the person is not real, you don't have to post - nobody has a gun at your head! If you suspect the person is false and trying to hurt, or get money, tell MNHQ! How terrible if genuine people - people in trouble, people at the end of their tether - come here as their last hope for some help and advice, are savaged and go off again, feeling terrible and that they don't have anywhere left to turn to?"

www.mumsnet.com/info/netiquette

There is a very real problem on Mumsnet that there are a small group of posters who wilfully ignore this "rule" as and when it suits them. I think the problem is now institutionalised in MN as being the norm and acceptable.

These people just make stuff up about people they've never met. Once they do this other people pile in believing the bullshit, and then acting on it. The troll-hunters also don't seem to stop and think how their assumptions might affect - or even damage the rest of the site. Lets summarise their position: " I am OUTRAGED and APPALLED by something that may or may not have happened but can't be proved, because although I say it did, I won't provide any evidence"

Sometimes this place is more like a bear pit rather than a community of support and OBJECTIVE thinking and response.

They have their bit of fun and when their target gives up - off course they do having been hounded unmercifully - the Hunter claim that proves they were a troll. Disagree with the unters and sooner rather than later they will accuse you of being a man (their ultimate insult) or a troll. A suggestion that you should leave the site usually follows.

The "silent majority" don't put up with this. They just leave...

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LeBOF · 16/02/2012 14:04

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SinicalSanta · 16/02/2012 14:11

inappropriate use of caps Bof.

You've let me down, you've let trollkind down but most of all you've let yourself down.

LeBOF · 16/02/2012 14:47

Ah, but I deliberately didn't capitalise it that time...

HelenMumsnet · 16/02/2012 15:49

Afternoon all.

We've been following this thread, all through all its chicken-ny, knittingy deviations, but we realise it's been a while since we posted.

So we thought it might help to clarify a few points that have been raised...

First off, our stance on trollhunting is the same as it ever was. It breaks our Talk Guidelines. And, if any trollhunting posts are reported to us ? or noticed by us once we're aware of a particular thread ? we will delete them.

This is because :

  1. If you're shouting "troll" (or implying it by thinly coded references to known trolls or suspected trolls), you may be wrong. And that can cause all sort of upset, especially if the poster being 'trollhunted' is vulnerable, in need of support and then finds everything they post is rubbished and queried. Before you all shout "Pfft, as if that really happens!", we can tell you that it has.
  1. If you really have unearthed a troll, you'll only bring a giant glow of satisfaction to their face by shouting "troll" on the thread. That's what they're after, after all: lots of drama, lots of indignation, lots of attention.

That's why we ask you, instead, just to report the poster you think is trolling to us. The more info you can give us about your suspicions the better: remember, at this point you probably know more about the poster than we do. We'll always acknowledge your report, and we always follow it up.

And, to address those who say all we can do is check IPs, that's not true: we can do far more than that.

That said, we have to admit we have dropped the ball in recent months with a few oft-reported posters. That was due to a combination of a change in the way we do stuff at MNHQ and good old human error.

But you can bet your bottom dollar that we are SO on it now: MNHQ is basically Troll Detection Central at the moment, with a whiteboard and daily briefings and suspect photofits and everything.

We completely understand the frustration some posters must feel when they report a possible troll and then nothing seems to happen (other than us saying we'll take a look).

Obviously, we're not going to post details of what we do but we hope it might help to say that some trolls are easier to spot/deal with than others. So, while a bored-at-half-term teen posting "Penis!" all over the boards is a cinch to spot, confirm as a troll and ban, those who have been carefully spinning out a tale over many months may not.

As we hope you all know, our stance is always to err on the side of being taken in, rather than of accusing a genuine poster who's in need of support of being a troll. So it does follow that we're not in the habit of making hasty decisions.

What would help us speed up our decisions? Two key things

  1. As much info as possible in your reports to us. And additional info coming in from you as you spot it. Even if you've reported a poster to us once already, it still helps if you report them again - either to nudge us or to tell us something else that concerns you.
  1. Not trollhunting! Ironically, the more you trollhunt, the slower we catch the trolls. Because we're having to divert our attention from Troll Detection Central duties to deleting the trollhunting posts. And answering all the reports that come in about the trollhunting posts.

Hope that answers the main Qs and explains what's going on a little more clearly. I'm not actually in the office today and I have limited access to t'internet but I will try to check in on this thread regularly this afternoon and evening.

And finally, a message for the OP: we've replied to your mail to us but haven't heard back yet. Is your registered email address the right one to contact you on, OP?

LeBOF · 16/02/2012 15:58

He's probably got a few different ones, Helen Wink

Right, off to read some creative writing [wank]...

MyNameIsntFUCKINGWarren · 16/02/2012 16:00

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flashsale · 16/02/2012 16:01

"we can tell you that it has." You're implying that it has only happened rarely. I don't think that's right.

Pinot · 16/02/2012 16:06

HQ what did I say that deserved deleting? I've been deathly dull very good recently. Can you let me know, ta.

KatieMiddleton · 16/02/2012 16:09

Yeah yeah Helen, but what I really want to know is do you have a large table with the boards laid out like a map and HQers carefully placing red dots and pushing little troll statuettes around with a big stick a la The Ministry in WWII?

I have already agreed with all your post up thread

Honeydragon · 16/02/2012 16:14

Pinot yours Confused me too.

Just out of interest what's the unofficial MNHQ stance on total dickheads who post dickheady stuff? Grin

HelenMumsnet · 16/02/2012 16:18

@KatieMiddleton

Yeah yeah Helen, but what I really want to know is do you have a large table with the boards laid out like a map and HQers carefully placing red dots and pushing little troll statuettes around with a big stick a la The Ministry in WWII?

I have already agreed with all your post up thread

Actually, you're not far wrong. Justine won't buy us the little WAAF hats, though.

Pinot · 16/02/2012 16:23

I can't even remember what I wrote, but it was norty. I'm a good gal ish

Helen?

Pinot · 16/02/2012 16:24

HAHAHA wasn't norty

HelenMumsnet · 16/02/2012 16:29

@Pinot

I can't even remember what I wrote, but it was norty. I'm a good gal ish

Helen?

Think that's called a Freudian slip, Pinot Grin

Tbh, I can't remember precisely but I think you referenced a suspected troll. Am sure someone from t'office will reply to your mail in a bit.

Pinot · 16/02/2012 16:31
Grin

I didn't Miss. I'm a good gal. You're confusing me with someone that knows stuff. Not me, guv.

Did I?

Maryz · 16/02/2012 16:37

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 16/02/2012 18:43

Helen - do you know that Pinot pisses in the corner of every wolef lair we make? Like deliberately and everything! She's a vair bad girl indeed (and I am pround to know her). Grin

Oooh - and on the offchance that you are reading this thread:

Please can we have an evil grin smiley - like the grin smiley but with leetle red horns, perchance? Pinot and I would use it, like, aaalllll the time!

SuePurblybilt · 16/02/2012 18:48

Pinot is kind of good. Tis all relative.

Pinot · 16/02/2012 18:49

I am a good gal

OI HQ I STLL HAVEN'T HEARD FROM YOU.......

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OliviaMumsnet · 16/02/2012 18:56

ye gods, nipple clamps and evil grins

Pinot, I will find out what's occuring.

Pinot · 16/02/2012 18:59

That ^ right there is why I luffs Olivia.

That and our mutual lust for Sam Seaborn.

I'm on Series 4 of TWW now and Sam is about to go to Orange County

OracleInaCoracle · 16/02/2012 19:02

oooooh, I have just discovered the west wing. nearly finished S1.

my crush is Josh.

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