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McDonalds Ads - tell us how do you feel about them folks?

609 replies

JustineMumsnet · 01/03/2011 16:22

Good day MNetters,
We've been asked if we'd host ads for McDonalds, so we thought we'd ask what you think. Would you object to banner ads (ie like the one at the top of the page) on Mumsnet?
Let us know.

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MilaMae · 06/03/2011 22:57

Avantia I think advertising is pretty successful Avantia,it's why it's absolutely everywhere. Companies have to pay to put it everywhere,they do it because quite simply it works and makes them money.

I think you're being a tad naive.

SalandersBro · 06/03/2011 23:03

"There is a bigger picture, a wider responsibility that we all have. And this forum is used by thousands, so for all it is a business, it has a responsibility not to promote junk food.

There are very good reasons why fast food ads are banned on Childrens TV " - ohforfoxsake.

yes,thing is, I quite like junk food from time to time as dds also do, whilst also taking your sense of a wider responsibility but thanks for your moral guidance.

and MN is for adults, not children - it's explicit in the title.

MilaMae · 06/03/2011 23:07

Salanders nobody is stopping you from going to McD,the lack of advertising on here so far I'm sure hasn't blighted your life,why do you need it now?

Clearly as a nation we have plenty of mums who don't just serve up burger and fries "from time to time",looking at the obesity levels.

I think Ohffs made a good point.

oneofsuesylvesterscheerios · 06/03/2011 23:09

I would be very disappointed if McD adverised on mumsnet.

Yes, we're all adults but their ads appearing on MN would give McD certain validation to a company that does NOT represent the ethos that I have associated with MN over the last 9 years that I have been posting.

Mumsnet is where I first heard about the book 'The food we give our children' which literally changed my whole outlook to kids' food, well before Jamie started his school dinners crusade. MN taught me about sunny delight, fruitshoots, the hazards of uncut grapes(!) and also gave me the confidence to actually ignore the advertising aimed at first time mums (which I was at the time I found MN).

And I'm not stupid... but I honestly thought that there wasn't much of an informed choice when it came to kids' food and nutrition. Looking back I was very very naive (go figure!) but I grew up without a mum, with very few female role models who were mums themselves and I was pissing about it the dark for that first year, depending on baby books and crappy parenting magazines that were given to me.

MN showed me there was an alternative to the type of parenting I saw in mags and in adverts and I'm so bloody grateful that I found it that one day I was googling for high chairs 9 years ago.

If it had been plastered with McD adverts, I honestly think I might not have stayed very long after reading my highchair reviews: it would have just been another one of the many run-of-the-mill, coporate-driven websites that I was seeing at the time.

SalandersBro · 06/03/2011 23:10

need it? nah.

NotaMopsa · 06/03/2011 23:52

hear hear sylvester

Eleison · 07/03/2011 09:57

Hi MNHQ, any chance that you could elaborate on your opening question? I think post posters assumed you were actually taking a decision about whether to go ahead with a possible contract, and I think that if you are asking the board for info that you will be using professionally you need to give quite a lot more context than you have here. Perhaps it is for this event which MN and McD are both speaking at?

I imagine that kind of info you are getting here is commercially very valuable, and I regret contributing to a discussion without understanding its context. Could you think about some protocol that requires you to give more background to requests for info like this one?

glasnost · 07/03/2011 10:08

Good ferreting Elieson. When the founder of MN and McD's big cheese are networking behind the scenes at events like these deals become inevitable.

MN is going to become just another lucrative brand. But they go down that road at their peril seeing as the posters on here MAKE this site.

Eleison · 07/03/2011 10:47

Not much ferretting needed really -- page 1 of Google results.Grin

JustineMumsnet · 07/03/2011 11:06

Good morning all,
Thanks to everyone for contributing to this discussion.

First of all, some have wondered why we asked. Well, our advertising policy has always been informed by discussion with MNetters - obviously your views matter as the last thing we want to do is take a decision about the site that loads of Mnetters would object to. We are very conscious that you choose to come and post here and that there's no lock on the door Smile so although clearly you can't please everyone all of the time we don't tend to take top down decisions on stuff like this. I strongly believe that without consultation, the site would be a very different (and less special) place.

Mumsnet's business model, however, is advertising. We need the ads to generate revenue to pay for our staff and servers. We don't think there's another model that works for mumsnet and so the ads are something we have to live with.

That said, we clearly won't work with everyone and we view our policy on advertisers and businesses we work with as a fluid one, determined in consultation with Mumsnetters.

In this particular case the advertising agency who works for McDonald's approached us to say they had a brief and would we be up for taking ads from McD's - they are looking to target parents with a new campaign they are doing. It doesn't mean we'll get their advertising if we say yes, just that we'll be one of the sites in the mix for consideration.

We have traditionally said no to McD's because we've had this discussion periodically and over the years quite a lot of folks have objected because they felt McD's buying policies, in particular, have been unethical (The Fast Food Nation critique). Last time we we had this discussion - maybe a 2 or 3 years ago - the reaction was around 50-50. We asked again this time because there is some suggestion that McD's are getting their act together on this issue a bit (although we don't claim to be experts). And indeed it seems that analysing the response on this thread (and the other one in AIBU) it does seem that the "don't minds" now outnumber the "do minds" by some way. So we are of a mind to change our policy on McD's

In general, we don't believe that display ads (ie the image and text ads around the place) on MN carry our endorsement. We wouldn't actively endorse a number of companies that we take display ads from - either because we'd never tried their products or didn't think they fitted over-well with the MN Brand. The only actual MN endorsements we give are as a result of our Product Reviews or following focus groups/testing. We will generally give closer consideration though to who we allow to be Discount partners, who we allow to sponsor bits of MN (and use words like sponsored by or in partnership with) and the type of language we'll use with relation to ads - we try to avoid the cheesy type of "we're so pleased to be partnering with xxxx".

We do also believe this is a site for grown-ups, not children. Much of the subject matter and language used is rather adult [understatement] Grin and it's definitely an adult, not children's audience we are catering for.

Broadly speaking my personal view is that we should get the management of companies we end up boycotting, like Nestle, on for a webchat and put them and their policies under scrutiny. I tend to believe that engagement is the way to change things and that people should have a right to reply, but I do recognise that others feel that they'd rather not give such companies a platform. Anyway, thanks very much for your thoughts on this. As said we do operate a fluid policy and nothing is set in stone; and we are always very pleased to hear your thoughts and expertise on this or indeed anything else.

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Eleison · 07/03/2011 11:14

Thanks for making good on that background info.

glasnost · 07/03/2011 11:21

As I suspected. MN had already made their minds up. When will the ad's be appearing?

So MN should rewrite their own policy too. When the consultation arrives on cosmetic surgery ad's appearing don't anyone out there be surprised.

McD's have cleaned up their act in the same way BP had. By employing a better ad agency who's cannier at appealing to the ethical consumer. It's all about the image.

slim22 · 07/03/2011 11:28

If your revenue depends on this sort of endorsements so be it, we don't want the site to go bankrupt, but if you are thinking upping the stakes in view of a sellout, I'd be very disappointed.

I think you have done a great job and have something very valuable in your hands now. If you think that you are reaching the tipping point and will cash out on this in the near future (my bet, and kudos! you should), we would like a hint, because it would become a very different place indeed.

slim22 · 07/03/2011 11:30

feeling very sad, because am really convinced its looming!
But again, you have worked very hard for this, so go for it!

Eleison · 07/03/2011 11:38

That's an interesting thought slim. Would it be something like the career of the Body Shop -- with early marketing heavily based on social activism, paving the way for becoming a big enough brand to move on to more mainstream ground? Is that quite a common trajectory for businesses?

JustineMumsnet · 07/03/2011 11:38

@slim22

If your revenue depends on this sort of endorsements so be it, we don't want the site to go bankrupt, but if you are thinking upping the stakes in view of a sellout, I'd be very disappointed.

I think you have done a great job and have something very valuable in your hands now. If you think that you are reaching the tipping point and will cash out on this in the near future (my bet, and kudos! you should), we would like a hint, because it would become a very different place indeed.

Slim22 - we're not about to go bankrupt if we don't get the McD's ads. Neither are we upping the stakes for a sellout. We are as we always have basing our policy on who we don't allow to advertise on a discussion with members. As we thought it might have, views about McD's have softened. By our calculations those who don't object have outnumbered those who do by around 2 to 1 on this thread and by a higher ration than that on the AIBU thread. Hence the change in policy. Glasnost - no we had not decided to change policy before we asked the question. How could we - what if everyone had said no to McDs?

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PaperView · 07/03/2011 11:45

Justine, i think that by having ads on the site (ANY advert!) then you are saying that MN supports that product and/or company.

slim22 · 07/03/2011 11:46

Thanks for the clarification Justine!

It would be a very valid strategy and tbh, I would be very humbled indeed if MNHQ did not go down that route.

It just seems that MN is such a valuable database for pollsters/advertising research/think tanks etc... that it would be foolish not to go for it.

I couldn't care less about McD tbh, I just think it's a bit....vulgar?

JustineMumsnet · 07/03/2011 11:48

@PaperView

Justine, i think that by having ads on the site (ANY advert!) then you are saying that MN supports that product and/or company.

Interesting. I don't agree though really - we carried ads for Tories and Labour during the election.

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Eleison · 07/03/2011 11:50

Ugh! That's the reality that depresses me: talk site, where women have achieved an unprecedentedly authentic voice for talking to one another, without mediation from a centrepoint with its own agendas, becomes "valuable database for pollsters/advertising research/think tanks etc" -- where that same voice can be projected, processed, and sold pack to women in an apporved form.

piprabbit · 07/03/2011 11:50

Inclusion of an advert doesn't imply endorsement or support for the product or company, it merely implies that MN is not taking definite steps to boycott the product or company.

Eleison · 07/03/2011 11:51

sorry typos!

PaperView · 07/03/2011 11:54

Justine - IIRC there were some posters who felt it suggested that you supported Tory and Labour policies.

piprabbit - it does to me but i am aware that i will be a minority. I usually am.

MistyB · 07/03/2011 11:57

Justine A reminder of what it says on your "About us" page:

Mumsnet is akin to a social enterprise. Though the site is a business and we hope to be a profitable one, our overarching aim is not the pursuit of profits. We manage Mumsnet with the aim of serving our community as much as serving our shareholders and we endeavour to conduct business in an ethical manner.

With this in mind, Mumsnet supports the WHO/UNICEF International Code on the Marketing of Breastmilk Substitutes and we do not accept advertising from a number of companies including Nestle and McDonald's, and for a number of products, such as formula milk and cosmetic surgery, that we believe do not sit well with our philosophy - namely to make parents' lives easier."

So what has changed? Does the fact that McDonalds were responsible for the destruction of large portions of the rainforest no longer matter? Does the fact that the number of obese adults in this country has doubled in the last 30 years matter? What about the cultural insensitivities of selling food with undisclosed meat products (in fries) in countries with large populations of vegetarians or the illegal actions of selling products with banned food colouring?

Of course, you are entitled to change your stance and you are not actually a social enterprise with aims and objectives that can be challenged by it's members but in fact a profit making business. But I would like to ask the Justine and Carrie who sat round the table in 2000 if they would ever see a day when you would accept advertising revenue from McDonalds and see that they have to say?

There are many companies who's ethics could be questioned from a broad spectrum of view points and the realities of running a business have to be taken into account when making these decisions.

By all means, challenge companies in a discussion, but if you do have questions about their ethics, don't hide behind the pretence that you are not endorsing a company by allowing it to advertise on your site - the mere fact that you initally stated you would not accept advertising from this company and are now canvassing opinion implies that you would see a link between Mumsnet and McDonalds - only you can decide if you are comfortable with that.

slim22 · 07/03/2011 12:02

What misty said much more eloquently than me.

basically, we just want to know what you are REALLY thinking Grin but of course you have no duty to answer

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