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need a car seat, stage 1

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IneedAbetterNickname · 07/04/2009 00:25

Hi, Ds2 has managed to break our mamas and papas pro tech carseat that we bought for ds1, sooo we need a new one! I cant believe how much carseats have changed since we bought ours!

So what would people recognize? then when we have a few ideas we will see which one fits thecar best!

Thanks.

Ps sil keeps telling me how good the bebeconfort axiss is, but looks like an overpriced gimmick to me?? any reviews?

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Tangle · 07/04/2009 10:08

I have a friend with the Bebeconfort Axiss and she is very happy with it - it does make getting her DS (2) in and out a lot easier (which she was very grateful for when heavily pregnant with her 2nd.)

We've got a BeSafe Izi Kid, which is a rear facing Grp 1 seat. There's some info on why you might want to consider a RF seat here.

nicm · 07/04/2009 19:25

i would change to rf if you can. we have the britax two way elite and are really happy with it.

IneedAbetterNickname · 07/04/2009 20:59

Ummmm, thats meant to say recommend lol!

I read about the rear facing stage 1 seats before, but I'm not convinced, sorry! Also he has been forward facing since he was about 15 months, he is 2 1/2 now, so I'm not sure how he'd react to being turned around!

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IwishIwasmorechocolatey · 07/04/2009 21:01

We have a maxi cosi tobi.

Ds1 had it from 10 months to 3.5. He always seemed really comfy in it and it reclined well so he could sleep comfortably. ds2 has just gone into it and loves it too!

NorktasticNinja · 07/04/2009 21:07

As PPs have said it's worth looking into RF seats they are much much safer than FF seats.

We've got the BeSafe Combi, it takes up a lot less room than other RF seats and even fits in our microscopic Ford Ka...

NorktasticNinja · 07/04/2009 21:08

Erm, that's the BeSafe Izi Combi, sorry.

sazm · 07/04/2009 21:44

if you go on the britax website and also the maxi-cosi one they have a fit-finder to tell you which seat fits your car best,

Tangle · 07/04/2009 21:49

IneedAbetterNickname - can I ask what in particular you're not convinced about re. RF car seats?

I can understand your concern re. turning your DS back round, though - DD has only ever been RF so it made it much easier.

IneedAbetterNickname · 07/04/2009 23:32

Tangle, I was sent a link to the website about them before, and after looking at me, neither me or my OH can see how they fit easily. In the pictures it looks like the front seats have to be quite far forward to fit them in. Maybe I'm wrong? Also if they really are that much safer then why aren't the government, or at least shops like Mothercare, Babies R Us etc doing more to promote them? I had honestly never heard of them until someone showed me the website a month or so ago.

Not saying they are wrong, or that they aren't as safe as the website says, just seems odd that the majority of people haven't heard of them!

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Plonker · 07/04/2009 23:49

We have a Britax Duo Plus Isofix for dd3 which I have to say, I love.

Perfect fit in car (obviously) and is really easy to get in and out, easy to transfer between cars (even non-isofix ones) and is really comfy for dd.

Would recommend

Tangle · 08/04/2009 10:55

IneedAbetterNickname, they aren't as easy to fit (which is one of the reasons they don't get a great review in WHICH), and they can take up more room. Then again, some of them are more compact than others - the Brio Zento being one of the smaller ones. More ISOFIX RF seats are becoming available as well, which greatly improves the ease of use.

As to why the government, etc, aren't doing more to promote them, I haven't got a clue but I do find it very worrying and extremely sad. ANEC (who do most of the actual tests that consumer groups such as WHICH base their reports on) consider that children kept in RF seats through till about 4 yrs of age have far few head, neck and chest injuries than their forward facing counterparts. I don't know of any research that has found FF seats to be safer than RF seats, but there are studies going back to the 1960's that find RF seats safer than their FF counterparts - this isn't cutting edge, new information . In Sweden, where there is an additional test car seats have to pass, you can't buy a FF Grp 1 seat as they don't pass the test - the main difference being that the Swede's have a maximum acceptable force on the child's neck in a forward facing accident (something the ECE test doesn't do).

What's even more bemusing is why British manufacturers that make RF Grp 1 seats, and promote them in Scandinavia, and (in Scandinavia) make a big thing about how much safer it is for young children to travel RF, won't even allow UK retailers to buy their RF seats from their UK production facilities. Apparently "UK parents prefer the colour ranges on the FF seats". Because that's a totally insurmountable problem, of course

As for big retailers, fundamentaly their purpose is to make money NOT to promote child safety. You'll often be told that "RF seats aren't legal in the UK as the UK has additional tests that the RF seats haven't passed". Fire safety wrt the covers is often brought up. All of this is false - the UK has no additional requirement over the ECE tests. To succesfully market RF Grp 1 seats in an environment where there is no government indication they're even legal and where "everyone" puts their 9 month old (or younger) in a FF seat would cost a significant amount of money. What's the incentive for them, when parents are already buying car seats from them?

Anyhow, getting back to the question in hand, if I were looking at a FF Grp 1 seat I'd look very closely at the Kiddy Infinity-Pro. It's a German seat which doesn't use a 5 point harness - there's a thick bolster cushion that goes across the child's abdomen and the shoulder's are unrestrained. As the shoulder's aren't tied to the back of the seat, if the car IS in a heavy frontal impact the entire upper spine can bend to take the strain (which is a big improvement over all that energy having to be accomodated by the neck). I'd be very interested to see how they got on in the Swedish tests! I've never seen one in the flesh and I'd have a lot of questions, but it would be a the top of my list of seats to consider

usernametaken · 08/04/2009 12:08

NorktasticNinja- Can I ask where you got your BeSafe seat from? Does it really fit in a Ka...where abouts? Do you have to move the front seat completely forward? I have a Ka and am looking for a rear facing seat from newborn upwards. I've posted a different thread about my final two choices, but I many have to add back in the BeSafe now!
Many thanks!

NorktasticNinja · 08/04/2009 12:40

usernametaken - I'm in the Netherlands and got it here, I'm afraid I've no idea about its availability in the UK.

We've got it fitted behind the passenger seat and we haven't had to move that seat all the way forward. It isn't as far back as you might automatically want to put it, but it's fine (certainly no knees against the dashboard or anything daft like that).

I was mailed this fitting list which might be handy for you, as you can see the Besafe Izi Combi is significantly less bulky than the others. TBH I really don't think any of the other seats listed would have left enough room for the front seat to still be usable:

Below are the measurements needed from the back of the rear seat to the back of the front seat.
More seats will be added as we receive them.

Maxi Cosi Mobi ? 96cms 37?
BeSafe iZi Kid/Combi ? 72cms 28?
Brio Zento ? 86cms 34?
All the above measurements are approximate and dependent on the length of the vehicle seat.
Britax 2-Way Elite ? 83cms 33?
Britax Nordic Secura ? 84cms 33?

The seats were measured in recline so the space needed in the upright position would be less.

usernametaken · 08/04/2009 12:52

Thanks Norktastic!
My father lives in the Netherlands so that is a stroke of luck. Any online shops that you can recommend?

NorktasticNinja · 08/04/2009 12:58

Wow, that really is a stroke of luck! I got mine here, they don't have them in stock ATM but it didn't take them long to get ours in. A week from ordering to delivery IIRC.

The green one is cheaper than the black but it really is revolting...

chequersmate · 08/04/2009 13:00

We've just got a rear facing one, two way nordic elite by britax I think it's called.

It fits in my Polo just fine and still leaves plenty of room in the front passenger seat.

NorktasticNinja · 08/04/2009 13:01

Here's the BeSafe site, you can see the colours if you scroll down.

usernametaken · 08/04/2009 13:03

Thank you for the link. The green one is an intersting colour! lol
Chequersmate- The 2 Way Elite doesn't start from newborn does it, which is why I ruled it out initially.

heather1980 · 08/04/2009 13:09

i have a maxi cosi priorifix. its great and did really well in the which tests, it reclines in 3 positions so dd can sleep in it.
it is forward facing.
i looked at rear facing ones but my dh is really tall and doesn't fit in the passenger seat with one in so we went forward facing.

NorktasticNinja · 08/04/2009 13:11

The Besafe Izi Combi IS officially suitable from birth but IMO even when fully reclined it's far too upright for a newborn. The rather extreme slope of the back seats in the Ka makes it (well all car seats) even more upright than it otherwise would be.

All that said, I really can't see it being possible to fit any of the larger RF seats in a Ka at all. I'll see if I can find your other thread as this is turning into quite an extreme hijack...

Sorry OP

IneedAbetterNickname · 08/04/2009 21:21

Thanks all. We don't have an iso-fix car, which makes it hard to look on the WHICH website, as alot of their best-buys are iso-fix. The year we bought our FF, Mama's and Papa's Pro-Tec was voted best seat by WHICH and most mags. I will look a bit more into RF seats, but I'm still not convinced, sorry!

NorktasticNinja, thats fine!

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