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Calling all owners of Esse or Everhot ranges

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LaughToSeeAPuddingCrawl · 13/11/2012 13:22

Please help! We moved to this house in the summer and inherited a two oven gas fired AGA. I am starting to get to grips with it since switching it on about a month ago but the kitchen is often too hot and we couldn't even have it on at all in the summer as it was unbearable.

We are having our kitchen re-done in January and have decided that we should get rid of the AGA. However, it suits the house looks-wise and I do like a lot of features such as it always being ready to cook and the fact that dishes don't seem to dry out as they do in a fan oven. Also, my dd's love coming home and snuggling up to it on a cold day!

After a lot of research I have narrowed it done to the Everhot and the Esse, both of which are more controllable than the AGA and don't (apparently) give out as much heat.

I'd be really grateful for any opinions on either please. Also, due to the controllability (?) are these cookers suitable for using through the summer or would I still need a separate oven?

Thanks in advance.

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boreham · 31/01/2016 11:19

Dear Mrs. Jolowicz.We have been following your postings. We have a 990CH wood fired range, installed in Oct. 2015 by a very very competent installer. We have a good lined chimney which produces good smoke tests every time, and we burn ultra dry old beech logs.
BUT the whole thing is, as you say, an expensive ornament. We have almost no Central Heating, scalding hot water and absolutely no cooking ability except plate warming.
Thank God it has been a mild winter. What do we do next.?..as we sit in a smoke filled room. The fire seems to have no ability to draw through the narrow little choke at the bottom of the flue. It needs weekly cleaning of condensate just to enable it to work at all.
Tomorrow we will start dealing with ESSE. So far they have not acknowleged two emails from us.

MrsJolowicz · 31/01/2016 13:44

Hello Boreham - I'm sorry to read of your problems. Here (as you say, thank God for this mild winter) the range has been out for ten days, as tar flowed out of the flue damper area, then solidified. The day before the range finally ground to a halt, a sheet of flames leapt out of the fire box door when it was opened - presumably from tar which had ignited. I told Fabrica Design about this and they said that Esse might contact me to arrange a visit; the next day they said that Esse weren't going to visit to look at the range but at the Plus 2 electric cooker (also a disaster) and that they have "no real intention to look at the 990 CH" because our problems are "operator error" ie our fault. Ten days later I'm still waiting for news of any visit.

If your experience is anything like ours, Esse will say that your contract is with the dealer (unless you bought it direct from Esse, of course) and the dealer will tell you that the problems are your fault. In the last couple of days I've been getting some very helpful tips and comments on this thread: www.thegreenlivingforum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=110971.

I am in touch with other people who have similar problems with this range. I will send you a personal message.

boreham · 31/01/2016 14:18

Dear Mrs. Jolowicz

We have been following your postings.
We too have an Esse CH990 woodburner, installed in Oct. 2015, by a very very installer.
We have a good lined chimney which produces good smoke tests every time and we burn ultra dry old beech logs.
But the whole thing is, as you say, an expensive ornament.
We have almost no central heating, scalding hot water and absolutely no cooking, bar plate warming.
Thank God it has been a mild winter.
What do we do next ?- spoken from a smoke filled kitchen.
We are now about to deal with Esse, who have not even acknowledged last week's two emails.

boreham · 31/01/2016 14:20

Correction please. It should have read a very very good installer ...!

boreham · 31/01/2016 14:25

Apologies for my repeat message. I was too impatient and did not notice that it had already been posted , nor that you had replied. Thank you for that.
What a sad and sorry state of affairs.

GriffMG · 16/03/2016 18:40

We have had our Ironheart since 2012, it has been brill.

It can heat our barn of a living room to 28 degrees when it's snowing outside and burns most woods really well.

To make the most of it, we heat tomorrows wood in the oven tonight (so to speak) as the quality of some 'seasoned' wood is variable and a little kiln drying always helps. Everything burns down to dust, which we keep in a metal bucket for a couple of days, then out in a galvanised bin for a bit before it goes in the landfill wheelie bin. This is after we set fire to a wheelie bin with two/three day old ash (three times and using a whole fire extinguisher) thank heaven for good neighbours and passing motorists!

Calling all owners of Esse or Everhot ranges
Calling all owners of Esse or Everhot ranges
MrsJolowicz · 17/03/2016 11:08

I've heard good things about the Ironheart; in fact it was a friend's enthusiasm for hers which first propelled me towards Esse. Sadly the Ironheart wasn't going to be big enough for our house so we ended up with the 990 CH. The jury is very much out on that; see www.thegreenlivingforum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=110971 for our tale of woe (and also large amounts of extremely helpful advice).

ESSE1854 · 04/10/2016 16:44

ESSE Technical Manager visited the 990 CH with Plus 2 companion cook stove installation 31.05.16, carried out an inspection of appliance and installation to report the following conclusions:-
No fault was evident or found with the ESSE 990 CH cooker. The flue pipe was correctly sized and the flue draught was working within ESSE specified limits. The central heating control system default settings were not circulating the hot water produced by the cooker around the radiators properly. The top and bottom thermostats removed from the Plus 2 unit were returned to the factory for testing and were found to be working correctly and within Manufacturer's tolerances.
Our recommendations for the ESSE owner:-
Address the issue of the central heating controls not circulating the hot water produced by the cooker. Increase the flow temperature to 65°Centigrade. Avoid burning any wet wood at all times.

MrsJolowicz · 06/11/2016 16:44

I didn't get an alert so have only just spotted Esse's message, which I presume relates to a visit to us by their Tehnical Director.

Esse sent a report after their Technical Director's visit, but it bore so little resemblance to what had happened that I assumed they'd sent a report from a visit to someone else who had problems with their 990 CH and their Plus 2 electric companion cooker. I've had a little time off this summer from dealing with our Esse problems as it was having a bad effect on me, but I see from their post now that I was apparently right - they sent me the wrong report.

David Randlesome visited us on 10 May, not 31 May. On arrival he remarked that he felt that we had been badly treated both by Esse and by Fabrica Design (Esse's local agent). I agreed. We had been worried about the 990 CH's installation for some time and had asked Fabrica Design for advice. They had not responded except to say that they had used a 150mm diameter flue liner, but on 10 May David Randlesome arrived with the information from Fabrica Design that they had flattened a 150mm liner to fit it into our chimney, which measures 125mm in one direction. This explains why two separate experts had thought that the flue liner installed by Fabrica Design was 125mm diameter rather than the 150mm required for the 990 CH. David Randlesome agreed that it would have been helpful if Fabrica Design had told us this before, ideally before carrying out the installation. We would have paid the additional cost of an external twin-wall flue if we had been told that it was necessary. On 10 May, David Randlesome advised us that Fabrica Design's “solution” of flattening a 150mm liner to fit the chimney was acceptable and that it would provide the same cross-sectional area as a circle of the same diameter. As he is Esse's Technical Director I assumed he had expertise to back up this assertion and I only questioned it after our meeting. On David Randlesome's advice, I asked after the meeting for an exact specification of the flue liner installed by Fabrica Design – we have never been given this, either by Esse or by Fabrica Design. So I contacted Poujoulat, the manufacturer of the liner which Fabrica Design said they had used; they told me that none of their liners should be modified in shape as this can break the locking bands, allowing fumes to escape, and reducing the liner's life expectancy. And the flatter an ellipse the smaller its area by comparison with a circle of the same diameter.

Once we had verified Fabrica Design's assertion about the flue liner we talked about fuel. We bought the Esse 990 CH to burn wood and I assured David Randlesome that we had not changed our minds about this. He adjusted the firebox area of the 990 CH, removing the grate and installing what he referred to as a “wood-burning kit” which he said Esse had developed some six months before for the 990 CH. I said how unhappy I was that Esse had not been replying at all to my pleas for help at this time as it might have been helpful to have had the wood-burning kit sooner. David Randlesome agreed.

Using lighters and wood which he brought with him, David Randlesome lit the 990 CH. It performed as never before, rapidly reaching a high temperature and heating the water in the tank. David Randlesome looked at our central heating set-up. There was one valve which should have let hot water through to the downstairs radiators; otherwise, David Randlesome said that our central heating set-up was fine.

We visited the wood shed. David Randlesome split a piece of wood and put his moisture meter to it. He told me that the reading was 21% which surprised me as I had found nothing over 15%. He said however that the wood we were burning was fine and that he accepted what we have said from the outset, which is that apart from a few days immediately after the 990 CH was installed and before our own moisture meter arrived we know that we have not burned wet wood.

The Plus 2 had had one thermostat replaced previously, by Fabrica Design; it did not improve the cooker's performance. Fabrica Design had told me that they would send the removed thermostat to Esse for testing; I asked David Randlesome if this had happened, and he said that he couldn't remember but that really there was little point in testing oven thermostats unless they were in ovens as tiny differences in installation can make big differences to performance. On 10 May David Randlesome changed both thermostats; the cooker is at least as bad as before. And although I had complained about the unreliable performance of the hob, David Randlesome had not been told about this so had not come equipped to deal with it.

Sadly, there are other issues, but I won't repeat those here as this is already a long message. I just felt it was important to put the record straight about David Randlesome's visit. If Esse's message relates to a visit to another customer, it's good to hear that their problems have been solved.

jugglingeverything · 17/11/2016 11:05

Reading this thread with interest. Have just decided to invest in electric range of some sort due to terminal problem with chimney heralding demise of lovely solid fuel rayburn.

Had decided on electric aga as read could be sited anywhere but then came across mention of venting. Never occurred to me this would be required. Due to layout of kitchen and listed status of house not feasible to sit it against outside wall. Wondering if possible to vent into well ventilated cellar as this might be an option?

Alternative was everhot or esse as these do not require venting. HOWEVER reading this thread it seems obvious to me that if you don't have a vent then you have a steamy oven and condensation. This thread has put me off esse for numerous reasons but also made me doubt everhot. Is there anyone on here with an everhot who can comment on the steam issue if there is one? Or anyone with an aga that can comment on venting...........

mshute · 12/12/2016 18:59

I have a brand new 990ch esse cooker. still wrapped. selling cheap.
the cooker is around 80 percent efficient. a dusky violet color. if you are considering a new cooker , this could be the one for you. comes with a pair of swiveling castors. interested then please phone. 07791595799. Mervyn. thanks.

mshute · 12/12/2016 19:18

Mrs jolowicz. your thread. you say that your cooker is as bad as before. has the fault been resolved? we would like to how esse have treated you.

mshute · 12/12/2016 19:28

esse recommend having fitted a flu equalizer . esse can loan a draft gauge . which measures vacuum. well, worth considering. basically, the gadget balances the flu. I have contacts for people who can supply equalizers.

CAN123 · 06/02/2017 09:13

Hi, I have read all of this with mounting alarm as my wife and I have been thinking of buying an Esse gas CAT unflued model for our house in France. Mrs Jolowicz, did I read one of your posts correctly in that you are in France? I have raised the problem of steam inside the cooker (albeit on a different model to that we are thinking of buying) with the dealer (not any of those mentioned in these posts) and am awaiting his reply. He has been excellent in answering all of my emails and queries to date.
On the basis of this thread we may well decide to go with an Aga (which was our first choice) instead,. I really hope that all those who have suffered problems get them rectified satisfactorily.
If anyone out there has any experience of an Esse CAT gas model I would be very interested to hear from them

mshute · 06/02/2017 09:31

the esse over all. is a much better cooker. if you wish i have an esse gn model in a royal blue. which is available. if interested. please call 07791595799. thanks. can deliver.

mshute · 06/02/2017 09:39

this cooker is now not available.

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