23-yr-old needs a good anti-wrinkle eye cream

[JanH]

Recommendations please! (Otherwise she'll have to stop smiling )

lol i read that as 2-3 yr old!

Everything is much of a muchness, except the ones that contain retanoic acid....and these work by getting rid of sun damage

Always wear a sun screen, and stay out of the sun. Sun beds a big nono. Don't smoke. Use a moisturiser daily, doesn't matter which one, get one you like and can afford. Pick your grandparents with care

Anything you get over the counter is going to be a moisturiser, more or less expensive versions thereof. Some of them will give a temporary illusion of filling the wrinkles by either tightening or plumping the skin, but none have a permanent effect.
A healthy diet with sufficient protein will boost collagen in the skin and eating plenty of brightly coloured fruit & veg ensures that you are taking in the right vitamins to help fight free-radicals which are believed to contribute to the ageing process. Drinking lots of water helps to keep the system flushed and the skin fully hydrated.

tell me more about the ones that get rid of sun damage please, MB

Ones with retinol in them, Suze; thing is, the over the counter formulations are probably not strong enough to tackle said damage, dammit.

So there are no preventers? Ha! I've always assumed that, that you would get them or not depending on your skin (and your grandparents, lol!)

She used to do sunbeds a lot, doesn't stay out of the sun, not sure about sunscreens, will ask. (Do good sunglasses help too?) She has smoked but only occasionally, but she works in a pub atm 2 or 3 nights a week, I bet that involves screwing your eyes up.

She has an excellent diet (much better than the rest of us), lots of fruit and salad and water.

What about the sun damage ones then, mb? Any brands?

does that mean I have to go to the beauty salon or the doctor or do you think one of the nice friendly email friends who try and enlarge my penis will sell me some from Kansas?

Good sunglasses help a lot, both because they block UV light and because you're not screwing your eyes up.

You have a beautiful penis, Suzy, don't interfere with it.

agree that OTC ones are not much use.

You can get some from a doctor but It would have to be a private prescrition. Once you use them, and you must only use the amount recomended or you will end up with very red, sore skin, you must stay out of the sun.

If you want to gague the amount of sun damage you have, look at the top surface of your forearm and the undersurface. Both are the same age, which looks older???

They work by making the cell below the surface of the skn grow and 'plump out' wrinkles.....they also make blackheads come out the same way....I used to work on this is a drug company....there were some amazing pictures of self exploding blackheads

thanks MI

now a self exploding blackhead I would like to see

Even slip slap slopped it is impossible to stay out of the sun over here. And my forearms arent' too bad atm, but thanks for the tips

as a spot squeezer myself, those pictures were curiously satisfying

Me too. I can't wait til the ds es get acne, I 'll be in my element

Sorry to hijack Jan, MB could you please pass your mighty brain over my Ikea plate thread, if you've nothing better to do

< confusedly examining forearms >

do you mean that with sun damaged arms the top of your forearm looks like one of them festoon austrian blinds while the underside is white and smooth?

is the top surface somewhat more wrinkled, dry and freckly? That is sun damage. If you get liver spots (much older than you I'm sure) you tend to get those in sun damaged areas as well

I am 29, I use Origins Night-a-mins eye cream which seems pricy for a tiny pot but lasts ages. I've used it pretty much every night since Sept and still have a quarter left. It's just for use at night but I find it good, in addition to all the general skin care tips others have listed...

but you look like a 16 year old batters!!!!

Where would she find Origins and Liz Earle, please?

(We were looking at Roc in Boots at lunchtime, is that any good?)

That eye cream only has SPF 10, though, nortily.

I use Roc, it is good. The wet face mask cloth thingies are amazing.