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NameChange70billion · 05/04/2024 17:43

I moved to a new city in a new country last August. Pretty soon after arriving here, I met a man and we hit it off. We met up quite a few times as friends, and on one occasion in November we kissed. There was some chemistry but we never acted on it. Then I went back to England for the entire of December and he was working abroad for Q1 (January to March). We stayed in contact but online only. The messages were occasionally a bit flirty but mostly chatty. We sometimes went weeks without contacting each other, but usually we messaged reasonably often.

He came back 2 weeks ago and we met up for a drink a couple of times. Last night he invited himself to my house for a nightcap. He was very forward and it took me by surprise. He grabbed me and started kissing me and pushed me down onto my sofa. I didn't object, I had actually been hoping we might get together at last, so I invited him to my room.
He seemed to be in a real hurry, pushing my clothing aside rather than actually taking it off. I told him I wanted to slow things down and started to massage his back. After a minute or so, he wanted to swap positions and I thought he was going to massage me, but instead he tried to initiate anal sex. I was quite upset and said I did not want that. He said something like "what do you want?" and I suggested that he use a vibrator on me. At this stage he had sucked and bitten my breasts (and I had told him to be more gentle) and pulled down his trousers but he still had them on around his ankles. He had not touched my vagina at all. I don't remember exactly what he said in response to me suggesting the vibrator, but it was something like "that's only for you and not for me". I wish I had told him to leave then, but I didn't. He just took the vibrator out of my hand and put it back in the bedside table.
He asked me if I wanted to have sex, and I said I wanted to take things slowly, but I asked him if he had a condom. He put the condom on straight away and rolled me over. I sort of froze. I know he pulled my hair at one point but I can't remember if it was then or earlier. He entered me and was quite rough. I was crying but quietly. He asked me if it was ok for me. I was crying. I'm not sure if he heard. He carried on for a few more moments asked me if it was ok for me again, then stopped. He did not orgasm. I presume he stopped because he realised I was crying. He got dressed and left pretty quickly.
I feel like he raped me. I did not actually tell him to stop though, and I live overseas in a country with an even lower conviction rate than England, so I will not go to the police. I spent a lot of the night trying to work out what happened. I couldn't understand if he had intended to or not. It might have just been terrible sex and terrible communication. I didn't actually say anything like "stop" and when he asked if I wanted to have sex, I said I wanted to take things slowly, but I also asked if he had a condom, so I presume he understood that to mean yes.
This morning I woke up to a lot of messages from him, many of which had been deleted. The first message which had not been deleted says "Normally a man should treat a woman much better than on this occasion. I'm the one who didn't act like that, for my reasons. I didn't have the intention of being violent with you either, I just didn't want to do things that I simply don't want to do. So I don't know if you understand me, what I am saying is not bad vibes, it's reality..." There are more garbled messaged, and he says stuff about how sex is different if you're in a relationship, he is sorry if he hurt me and that he found it annoying / not normal when I wrote to him on whatsapp several times in a row when we were messaging over the last few months. We were in different timezones so sometimes I wrote several messages in a row during my day and his night, but he did the same thing to me. Then he ends by saying he does not want me to contact him again. I assume this means he did mean to hurt me. This wasn't a misunderstanding or a miscommunication. I'm a bit of a mess at the moment. I don't know how to feel or what to do. I've been faking being fine at work all day. He worked from home today so I did not see him, but I probably will next week. I just don't know what to do. I am a long way from home and I do not have any family or many friends here.

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sososadaboutthis · 05/04/2024 18:11

I am so so sorry this happened to you. You did not give enthusiastic consent, you froze and you were crying. You clearly had objected to what he was doing. Asking someone if they have a condom is not consenting to sex. This is rape and it's not wonder you feel so awful and violated. Is there someone you can talk to about this? I know you don't want to go to the police, but you need someone to support you. Is there a rape/sexual abuse service or helpline in the country you're in?

This isn't your fault. Please please get some help. Xxx

JoanMacIntosh · 05/04/2024 21:46

I am so, so sorry this happened to you. This is awful and in no way your fault.

If you feel you can, you should report this to the police - he’s a rapist, a danger to you and to other women.

You will need support to get through this, are you in Europe?

fourelementary · 05/04/2024 22:30

Actually whilst I am sorry you feel upset @NameChange70billion I disagree about rape. He asked you what you wanted to do and you asked did he have a condom. To me that is pretty much initiating PIV sex or inviting it. If I am wanting forest I wouldn’t need a condom on a man, if you’d asked for oral sex at that point he may have obliged or whatever. You asked for a condom and he put it on and initiated sex and then asked if you were okay- when he realised you weren’t, he stopped.
Now he certainly doesn’t seem to be any kind of caring or sensitive lover that is for sure. When he started roughly and “pushed you down” on the sofa right at the start, it set a tone and you even said you certainly didn’t object… so I can see there are clearly mixed messages and his assumption you were up for sex and not lovemaking is actually in my opinion fair enough.

Chalk it up to experience- speak up when you feel uncomfortable right away, and listen to your gut.

NameChange70billion · 06/04/2024 14:35

I am almost glad there is disagreement here because it makes me feel less stupid for not knowing how to feel. I think he probably did know I wasn’t enjoying it though. I told him to be more gentle, I told him I wanted to slow down, I asked him to use a vibrator on me and I massaged him with nice massage oil. When I thought he was going to massage me, and instead he tried to have anal sex with me I was very shocked and upset and he clearly understood that. I got off of the bed and told him not to do that. I don’t think it seemed like I wanted to “get fucked”.

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Kittenkitty · 06/04/2024 17:41

It sounds really really unpleasant, and he sounds awful. I don’t think you need to label it, but I would definitely consider it a sexual assault. You’re not obliged to contact the police, you’ve been through enough already, it’s your choice how you choose to move forward. I would definitely try and find some sort of support, many UK charities offer online chat support services too if phone lines are not an option. Obviously unaware of the country you’re posting from.

sussexman · 06/04/2024 19:52

That sounds awful @NameChange70billion . You have to decide what you should do next, but that is about as clear a description of rape as I have ever read.

BIWI · 06/04/2024 21:40

@fourelementary are you a man?

Reading what the OP has said:

He asked me if I wanted to have sex, and I said I wanted to take things slowly, but I asked him if he had a condom. He put the condom on straight away and rolled me over. I sort of froze. I know he pulled my hair at one point but I can't remember if it was then or earlier. He entered me and was quite rough. I was crying but quietly. He asked me if it was ok for me. I was crying. I'm not sure if he heard. He carried on for a few more moments asked me if it was ok for me again, then stopped. He did not orgasm. I presume he stopped because he realised I was crying. He got dressed and left pretty quickly.

And you replied:

He asked you what you wanted to do and you asked did he have a condom. To me that is pretty much initiating PIV sex or inviting it

Thank goodness he actually did stop. Regardless of whether or not the sex was initially welcome, clearly it wasn't by the time he pulled her hair, entered her or was rough with her.

It might not have been rape, but there's no need to victim-blame her for something that really wasn't her fault.

fourelementary · 07/04/2024 00:01

BIWI · 06/04/2024 21:40

@fourelementary are you a man?

Reading what the OP has said:

He asked me if I wanted to have sex, and I said I wanted to take things slowly, but I asked him if he had a condom. He put the condom on straight away and rolled me over. I sort of froze. I know he pulled my hair at one point but I can't remember if it was then or earlier. He entered me and was quite rough. I was crying but quietly. He asked me if it was ok for me. I was crying. I'm not sure if he heard. He carried on for a few more moments asked me if it was ok for me again, then stopped. He did not orgasm. I presume he stopped because he realised I was crying. He got dressed and left pretty quickly.

And you replied:

He asked you what you wanted to do and you asked did he have a condom. To me that is pretty much initiating PIV sex or inviting it

Thank goodness he actually did stop. Regardless of whether or not the sex was initially welcome, clearly it wasn't by the time he pulled her hair, entered her or was rough with her.

It might not have been rape, but there's no need to victim-blame her for something that really wasn't her fault.

@BIWI No I’m not a man.
and I’m not victim blaming either.

I was sharing my take on the response regarding the condom… and I respectfully disagree that there was any clarity about consent. I think people wrongfully expect modern dalliances to have explicit “enthusiastic consent” in order for sex to be agreed, but the reality is that blurred lines do still often happen and assumptions are made.

I hope you are okay though @NameChange70billion and please don’t think I was victim blaming you, I just don’t feel
labelling him a rapist rather than a shit and selfish guy is helpful…

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