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fulltimedaddy · 09/07/2023 12:58

O.K so here's the lowdown, I've been with my wife now for a very long time, nearly 20 years.. in that time we've had a great sex life (at the start of our relationship) then in the middle it was basically non-existent, and we almost ended up separating because of it, and these days it's a lot more relaxed, we still have great sex but we don't put any pressure on it, if it's a few months between sessions then fine, if it's once every couple of weeks, then fine.. parenting usually takes it out of both of us, so it's not so much of a big deal anymore.
anyway, the last time we had sex my wife wanted to start things off by talking about fantasies etc, we'd both had a few to drink and she seemed hesitant to share anything too crazy, so i thought I'd get things going and opened up the possibility of involving more people in our sex life, i asked her if she had any fantasies about MMF threesomes or MFF, or someone else with me watching, etc etc, it was more explorative and conversational as opposed to "i want this to happen".. i thought she'd find this as hot as i did as she also has her own kinks that she knows I'm not really into, and tbh she was actually really receptive to it at the time, we talked about how it might happen, and how it could work for both of us, if it involved another guy what type of guy she'd go for and all that stuff, it was just a bit of a giggle, and then i thought no more about it really, we concluded that although we are probably a long way from rocking up at a swingers party, opening up the possibilities of sex was probably the way forward, then we had sex.. it was great, everything was fine and we got on with our lives.
Since then whenever we've spoken about sex in general she's mentioned it, but almost in the complete opposite way to how we were discussing it in that conversation? I get the feeling that now she sees it as very much a "Me" thing and she's insinuated that i might be a "cuck" which i very quickly shot down and reiterated that fantasies are one thing but reality is another, and I'm not even sure if i could actually go through with it in reality,
The problem is she's accidentally let slip that she's told her best friend about it, and she's in a circle of friends that are also my friends too, so now i feel deeply embarrassed by it all and wish I'd never said anything, I just assumed that after 20 years or so together, there are certain things that are kept "in-house" it's probably the most intimate conversation we've had in a decade or so, and at the time i felt really close to her and like we had this really cool safe space where we could talk about anything at all without judgement, and i feel like she's panicked and gone off like a shotgun to anyone that would listen before speaking to me about it again.
Am i over-reacting? She doesn't see any issue with this at all, apparently there's nothing she wouldn't share with her best friend who she sees like a sister and she said girls talk about this kind of stuff all the time?
The whole point of the conversation was around experimenting with different ideas now that we've been together for a long time and vanilla sex isn't really exciting either of us, I was actually kind of excited as to what this next chapter of our sex lives could hold, but now i just feel like closing up and never mentioning sex again or suggesting/doing anything even slightly adventurous in case it's shared around our friendship circle and I'm painted as some kind of weird pervert.

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Nocirculation · 09/07/2023 14:38

I wouldn't worry about it. Bit of a shock when you weren't expecting it I'm sure, but worse things happen. At least she told you.

DixonD · 09/07/2023 15:42

I’m with you OP; I’d hate that. I would never talk to my friends about my sex life, at least not in such detail.

myNewName21 · 09/07/2023 15:50

No, you are not overreacting, it’s completely understandable for you to be pissed off with your DW about this, even worse is her reaction thinking it’s no big deal,

is she always this thoughtless?

blameless · 09/07/2023 22:26

Is there a chance that, while merry, your wife was more receptive to the idea than she is comfortable with, in the cold light of day?
Some men are drawn to the cuckold lifestyle because they are sexually submissive, others because they want to have another man for sex - they may be a more typical alpha-male at work or in other environments.
Your wife may have some inaccurate assumptions about what your drunken conversation suggested and her discussion with her friend may be about trying to get her head straight about how she feels. Alternatively, her friend might lead a rather more adventurous life than you're aware of.
I understand that you feel let down now, but you might just get to explore some of your fantasies, once your wife knows her own mind.
Good luck.

BobOn · 09/07/2023 23:10

@fulltimedaddy being turned on by the idea of an MFM threesome doesn’t make you a cuckold unless you’ve specifically asked for that kind of experience? E.g. being deliberately excluded/sidelined, having little to no say in what happens or how - essentially a simulation of being cheated on.

it sounds as though part of what you object to is what she’s called you to her friends?

PinotPony · 10/07/2023 21:56

I don't think it's unusual for women to discuss this kind of thing with close friends.

What bothers you specifically about your friendship group knowing you and DW have discussed threesomes? I wouldn't have thought a threesome per se is something to be embarrassed about... it's a fairly common fantasy and I doubt your friends will consider you to be a filthy deviant.

Or are you upset because she has told them you want to be a cuck? I can see why you'd be upset if she's given them the wrong impression of you.

Although she doesn't see an issue with sharing intimate details, you do. For that reason alone, she should commit to being more discreet in future.

PinotPony · 10/07/2023 21:58

By the way, a MMF is a threesome where bisexual men play together. I suspect you mean MFM.

The order of the letters is important in conveying what you mean!

fulltimedaddy · 11/07/2023 13:55

PinotPony · 10/07/2023 21:56

I don't think it's unusual for women to discuss this kind of thing with close friends.

What bothers you specifically about your friendship group knowing you and DW have discussed threesomes? I wouldn't have thought a threesome per se is something to be embarrassed about... it's a fairly common fantasy and I doubt your friends will consider you to be a filthy deviant.

Or are you upset because she has told them you want to be a cuck? I can see why you'd be upset if she's given them the wrong impression of you.

Although she doesn't see an issue with sharing intimate details, you do. For that reason alone, she should commit to being more discreet in future.

I think it's probably the fact that (as light hearted as it was at the time) she seemed just as, if not more enthusiastic about the idea as myself, I was just opening up a conversation really and trying to create a bit of an atmosphere, it's not something we've ever discussed before, I thought it was a safe place to discuss without judgement... and now it feels like she's 180'd, took everything I said very literally, and then felt the need to share it with our friends, and I'm worried that I'm being made out to be some kind of sexual weirdo within our friend group that wants other men to humiliate me to the point where it's suggested that there are things I should do to get help...
There's nothing I can do to reverse it, whenever it's come up again since I've just played it off as nothing really, but I suppose the crux of it all, is that I would never discuss things like that with my friends, certainly not people who know my wife very well, I would just go back to my wife and ask further questions if I was worried. But I don't think like I've been given the same respect, I understand that girlfriends share a lot of things, but i just assumed that there are certain things that should be kept within your relationship right?? it shouldn't be an open book constantly?

P.s thanks for the clarification, I'm certainly in no way Bi, so if it ever does happen again I'll be sure to use the correct term lol

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myNewName21 · 11/07/2023 18:54

@fulltimedaddy I think your DW has really betrayed you by telling her girl friends, thats terrible , what’s even worse is her not seeing how upset about you are about,

PinotPony · 11/07/2023 21:51

"I'm worried that I'm being made out to be some kind of sexual weirdo within our friend group that wants other men to humiliate me... it's suggested there are things I should do to get help.."
What evidence is there that the group thinks this? Who suggested you need help? Guys who like being cuckolded aren't weirdos... or is that what you think too? Half the problem here is your perception of this kink... you think there's something to be embarrassed about, when there isn't.

"Whenever it's come up again I've played it off as nothing.."
Why? You should be telling her how upset you are, not shrugging it off. The communication around this has to be crystal clear. Have you told her that 1. you were just talking about fantasies hypothetically and had no serious intent to actually have a threesome, 2. you feel betrayed that she's shared your sexual fantasy with her friends and now you can't talk to her about this stuff in future, and 3. you feel really embarrassed about how people will perceive you now? If you've not had that conversation, you need to.

I wouldn't get too worked up about what other people think. They'll have moved on to new gossip in a few weeks. But I would invest time in repairing my relationship and attempting to rebuild the trust that has been broken.

BobOn · 11/07/2023 23:40

@PinotPony excellent advice for the op

myNewName21 · 12/07/2023 07:36

BobOn · 11/07/2023 23:40

@PinotPony excellent advice for the op

2nd this , excellent advice from @PinotPony

"Whenever it's come up again I've played it off as nothing.."
Why? You should be telling her how upset you are, not shrugging it off

especially this , she is clearly try to minimise your feelings ( probably because you are a man, and men clearly don’t have feelings).

your DW really needs to work hard to rebuild your trust.

BobOn · 12/07/2023 10:35

@fulltimedaddy it might be beneficial for you to have a think about why this has triggered your negative emotions so strongly.

If you can work this out it might help to tell your wife so she knows specifically why this was so hurtful to you and what she needs to do to rebuild the trust that she's obviously damaged.

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