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Entrance Exams - am in purgatory with waiting!

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Mrshighandmighty · 09/01/2010 20:08

Hi there - My eldest son (yr 6) has just sat this week the Hampton, St. Benedicts and KGS entrance exams, with Latymer Upper and Emanuel next week. Does anyone have any experience regarding how long you have to wait to find out after the exam whether your child is going to be offered an interview?

Also - what is an interview like? What should we do to prepare him in the event that he might get an interview?

I have four boys altogether, and I know it will be so much easier next time around - but right now, I'm in a purgatory of ignorance!

Help anyone?

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MrsGuyofGisbourne · 01/02/2010 12:45

Is htere any reliable indication by envelope size - eg large = good news, small = bad news?

stokeytiger · 01/02/2010 14:15

MrsGuyofGisbourne - we got the smallest and thinnest of envelopes for an interview appointment, so don't immediatley despair if it's a thin one.

SoupDragon · 01/02/2010 14:19

DS1 got interviews for both the private schools he sat for and they were virtually biting my arm off to have him at the schools when they interviewed me (whilst they were interviewing him). He excelled himself [proud] (although I'm still not convinced the English results were his - all the comprehension stuff and essays I marked for him made me want to gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon)

I think the results are out on 18th Feb.

mebaasmum · 01/02/2010 14:50

Out of interest. Do people who are applying for selective private schools send in an application for state secondaries in October just in case. (Bearing in mind most of the better ones are over subscibed) Or do they risk ending up with no school if worst comes to the worst. Just curious

GrimmaTheNome · 01/02/2010 14:54

meba, I'd reckon that anyone who didn't use belt and braces was foolish - you don't lose anything by stating your LEA preferences (and putting your child in for 11+ if appropriate). Why on earth would anyone not do this?

Of course, some people take it to the limit and attend church for 2 years and move house as well (not sure I'm even joking there!)

thirtysomething · 01/02/2010 15:23

mrsguy we went through all of this last year for DS - the much-awaited envelope saying he'd got into the selective school he wanted to go to was very small! It had a single sheet of A4inside basically saying he'd got in and if we accepted we'd get an info pack at a later date....he got into the other school he tried for and they sent a huge A4 pack with offer letter, contract forfees etc and tons of other stuff, so no general rule about envelope sizes!

Good luck to you all and your DCs!

SoupDragon · 01/02/2010 21:44

I think you'd have to be seriously dim not to apply for state schools too!

snorkie · 02/02/2010 12:20

I must be seriously dim then! Depends on how selective the schools you are applying to are, how bright your children are and what state alternatives you have a realistic chance of. Neither of mine had any serious likelyhood of not passing and if they hadn't there was also no likelyhood of them getting a place at a decent secondary even if we had applied (unless I'd managed to fabricate a baptism certificate & manage some catholic church attendance). The local one always has space available - somehow that 25% 5 A*-C pass rate doesn't encourage many to apply, so not a lot of point really.

SoupDragon · 02/02/2010 16:15

It was a tongue in cheek comment really.

Here, it is more a case of how bright everyone else is than how bright your child is. One particular school, 360 "passed" the exam out of 1500 that sat it. The passmark isn't a mark as such, it's the top 360 children. Competition is tough since there are no few very good secondary schools and you are up against privately educated children battling for free state places at the grammars in the neighbouring borough. Then there is the competition at 2 top private schools.... you have to put in an application for a reasonable local secondary or run the risk of ending up with one of many failing schools. You simply can't guarantee that your child is brighter than the necessary % of his/her peers.

Thankfully, DS1 proved to be bright enough (with some brightness to spare).

stokeytiger · 05/02/2010 13:07

Just received the City Boys interview appointment letter, YAHOO, very happy and proud. If all goes well it means we won't have to move house for Kingston Grammar.

newpup · 05/02/2010 13:58

Got the letter this am - DD passed her entrance exam and has a place at our top choice for September. Whoo hoo!

Sorry so excited after all the stress , am fit to burst. Just can not wait to tell her after school!

Metella · 05/02/2010 14:43

Fantastic news, stokeytiger & newpup!

MrsGuyofGisbourne · 05/02/2010 15:07

Stokeytiger - so did we! (and it was a small thin letter )

newpup · 05/02/2010 17:04

Thanks Metella!

Good luck to everyone awaiting the envelope!

stokeytiger · 05/02/2010 20:19

mrsguyofgisbourne - what a great feeling, eh? well done
thanks metella

stillfeel18inside · 05/02/2010 22:37

Good luck stokeytiget and mrsguyofgisbourne at City of London - I'm sure your boys will do really well. And congratulations newpup - great to have the result "in the bag" already - good luck to your DD at her new school.
stokeytiger - I'm already thinking ahead for my DS2 and wondering if I might do the 10+ for him at KGS if DS1 does get a place at KGS - I seem to remember your DS was doing 10+ rather than 11+. What sort of level would you say he was at now?

Caoimhe · 06/02/2010 10:16

Lucky, lucky you newpup!!! I'm so jealous - I still have nearly two weeks to wait!!!

Great news re the interviews for Master Stokeytiger and MasterGisbourne - fingers crossed for both boys.

I will have no nails left by the time I get to the end of this process (either that or I'll have alcohol poisoning ).

newpup · 06/02/2010 12:37

I feel for you Caoimhe!

The wait is awful! I was sure I would have grey hair by the time we heard.

I was physically shaking when I saw the envelope on the mat!

It is so good to be able to relax, I had the first good nights sleep last night for ages. I had to reread the letter this morning just to make sure. Ha Ha!

The best was Dd's face when I met her after school yesterday and gave her the envelope. She was so thrilled! I will treasure that moment forever.

She worked really really hard to get her place and I am very proud of her.

Best of Luck to you, hope you get what you want.

newpup · 06/02/2010 12:38

Thank you Stillfeel18inside. Fingers crossed for you too!

stokeytiger · 06/02/2010 12:52

Stillfeel18inside - We decided to do 10+ because DS is getting bored and frustrated at school, he's quite a studious type and although his primary school is lovely, he is complaining about the amount of time wasted in class.

His English is good (top table for everything) but there are about 30 different languages spoken at his primary so the teachers have there work cut out for them.

His Maths, however, is extraordinary (don't know where he gets it from). He's been doing Kumon for 4 years with Gold Standard for 2 years, basically he's doing gcse level maths and understands very complicated operations. He's also a chess whizz.

We couldn't bare the thought of him getting bored at school.

There are also massive advantages for doing 10+, there's much less competition!

74 entries for 24 places at CofL boys, give you a one in three chance of getting in. Compare that to 11+ entries of 600+ for 60 places, gives them a 1 in 10 chance of getting in.

I don't know what the 11+ entries are for KG,but I'm sure they're very high too, but the 10+ had about 50 entries for 25 places, 1/2 the kids will do it!!

It's such a no brainer I can't believe more people don't do it.

I suppose you have to be confident that you child is mature enough to be in a 'big' school surrounded by teenagers but with an older sibling there it should be no worries.

Another advantage I've found is that you avoid any competative talk in the playground, by the time you get to year 6 it's all anyone talks about. If you do it all in year 5 you can keep it very low key, much less pressure and if it all goes wrong you have another chance the year after.

The only disadvantage I can think of is arranging travelling to and from school a year earlier, but there are lots of ways round that.

I'd say go for it, whatever level your ds is at he stands a much better chance doing it early.

Caoimhe · 06/02/2010 15:17

Thanks for the sympathy newpup!

Around this way there is also much less competition at 10+ than at 11+ (although I think more people are considering 10+ now so that may change over the next few years).

stillfeel18inside · 07/02/2010 10:55

stokeytiger - those are pretty good odds, especially at KGS (and if you add to that the fact that DS2 would already have a sibling there, that couldn't hurt, even though I know they don't have an official sibling policy). Only problem is that I won't have a year off from the tutoring/exams timetable, but at least then it would all be over and done with forever....until GCSEs I suppose!

I'd always shied away from the 10+ because on top of meaning an extra year's fees, I thought it would be a real shame for my DS to miss yr 6 which seemed to be full of exciting things (being the oldest ones at school, good parts in the school play, trips etc) but having now got a child in yr 6 I'm not so sure - the idea of studying interesting new subjects and getting used to big school a year early as opposed to doing endless SATS papers is becoming very appealing!

mimsum · 07/02/2010 12:33

10+ entry is fab it meant ds avoided all the secondary school transfer trauma, all the anxiety about exams, all the endless SATS revision, plus he got to know a whole new bunch of friends, tackled new subjects in a much more grown-up way, got used to the way the school worked, felt confident about finding his way around - and by the time y7 came around he was one of the 'old boys' showing the new boys around

pretty much the only downside was an extra year's fees ...

stokeytiger · 08/02/2010 10:56

mrsguyofgisbourne - if you have the choice, will you be going for CoL or KG?
I'm currently have an emotional meltdown about city interview, we're not preparing at all for it as recommended by school and tutor, but it's almost impossible to hold back.
Does anyone know how many they ask back for interviews and what percentage get turned away after this stage?
The joy of getting the interview letter is very short lived!!

MrsGuyOfGisbourne · 08/02/2010 14:31

ST - geographically neither location is very convenient - we have a third possibility @ Colet Court that is closer and we will take if we are offered it (DS going for interview this week), but chances very slim so trying not to think about choices until we see if we have any when the letters arrive.....

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