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Sutton or Kent? WCGS vs SGS or DGS vs Judd?

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L186 · 16/03/2026 19:22

Sutton or Kent? WCGS vs SGS or DGS vs Judd?

Which area will you choose to move to?
Which grammar school will you choose for your DS?
And why?

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MarchingFrogs · 16/03/2026 20:45

I would probably have a look at the non-selective options in the respective areas and their oversubscription criteria, to see what my non-grammar back-up options were. Plus consider what my / our commute to work would be.

Obviously if the alternative to any non-selective state place would be an indie and work for the adults is on a permanent remote contract, neither of these would be an issue.

Silverbirchleaf · 16/03/2026 20:52

Judd is a super selective school, so your boy needs to be scoring top marks in The Kent Test (eleven plus) to get a place. However, it is a good school.

Judd does gave a catchment area (which is never used to) plus a small number of places are given to pupils outside this area (with a set admissions criteria).

Don’t know about the other schools.

Silverbirchleaf · 16/03/2026 20:54

Is DGS Dartford Grammar school ? Think about where you want to live also.

L186 · 16/03/2026 21:39

MarchingFrogs · 16/03/2026 20:45

I would probably have a look at the non-selective options in the respective areas and their oversubscription criteria, to see what my non-grammar back-up options were. Plus consider what my / our commute to work would be.

Obviously if the alternative to any non-selective state place would be an indie and work for the adults is on a permanent remote contract, neither of these would be an issue.

An easy commute to London Square Mile / Canary Wharf is preferred. Thanks.

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L186 · 16/03/2026 21:46

Silverbirchleaf · 16/03/2026 20:54

Is DGS Dartford Grammar school ? Think about where you want to live also.

Yes, it is. Only find these two schools from Kent are offering a few out of catchment places, both have high reputation and results.
Don’t want to move until year 6 is finished, so no disturbing for primary time.

Exactly we are trying to get advice about where is better to live for a family?🤔so we can decide about which grammar school to go for. Thanks.

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Silverbirchleaf · 16/03/2026 22:26

Have you looked at the admissions criteria? Although Judd offers out of area places, there is still a distance element involve, so the nearest boy to the school, in the outer area will get first placement (after the other criteria). I know you say you plan to move nearer your selected school after primary, but it’s your address on application that counts.

Sutton or Kent? WCGS vs SGS or DGS vs Judd?
L186 · 16/03/2026 23:17

Silverbirchleaf · 16/03/2026 22:26

Have you looked at the admissions criteria? Although Judd offers out of area places, there is still a distance element involve, so the nearest boy to the school, in the outer area will get first placement (after the other criteria). I know you say you plan to move nearer your selected school after primary, but it’s your address on application that counts.

Distance element will only be considered for the last possible place when there are same scores, after offering LA child and higher scorers.

It seems only DGS and Judd use these rules while other Kent schools mainly using how close you live to school. Distance-based selective schools won’t be our options.

We only consider score-based selective schools.

Sutton or Kent? WCGS vs SGS or DGS vs Judd?
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L186 · 16/03/2026 23:21

I think school wise: DGS>Judd>Wallington>Sutton, but living environment and convenience maybe just as opposite.

Haven’t visited Sutton schools, but feel/heard it’s a safe and convenient area for family to live.

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Steelworks · 17/03/2026 04:28

I’m curious as where you live. I think there’s only twenty three places available, i don’t know the current situation, but in the past these places will go to pupils living within fifteen miles of the school, just outside the inner area. You need to assume you have to get maximum score to get into this school, especially with the private school vat situation, as more people will be considering it (unless you qualify under option 1, but there could easily be more than 23 people applying from there also).

snowymarbles · 17/03/2026 06:02

@L186Sutton is not a bad place to live - non selective schools are also pretty good.

any reason Wilson’s is not on your list? Sutton also has Greenshaw which is a sort of runners up school to the grammars if you don’t get in as it has a number of 11+ places.

dastardlydani · 17/03/2026 07:08

Sutton is very safe for families and you have 3 grammar options for boys there plus depending upon where you live you have Tiffin too.

again depending where you live there are some very good non selective options too.

IndeCandidate · 17/03/2026 07:21

Judd is only offering approx 20 seats out if catchment rest are inner do not sure why this school is telecast super selective ? Super selective only for outer catchment but rest of the kids aren’t that high scoring at all . It’s not st olaves or Wilson kind of superselective

BendingSpoons · 17/03/2026 07:31

Wilsons is truly super-selective.
Sutton/WCGS are different but fairly equal. I'd put Sutton slightly above in academics but WCGS has better sports facilities on site. They focus more on different sports. You'd need to check admissions - Sutton prioritises the catchment for around 50% of places (not sure exactly, or for WCGS).

Trains from Sutton/Wallington run to London Bridge. You could also live near other stations (e.g. Carshalton Beeches) and be near enough the schools.

trying29 · 17/03/2026 07:36

I would say the Sutton grammars are all super selective - its the same test for all 3 in the end. Each school weighs the results differently

Muaodaughter3 · 17/03/2026 12:34

It’s quite interesting to see these four schools listed together and to read the different comments on them. Academically, looking at national league tables such as The Times, DGS is usually very slightly ahead of SGS and Judd, while WCGS tends to sit a bit below those three. So, looking purely at academics, I’d say DGS, Judd and SGS are broadly in the same bracket. DGS offering the IB is also a factor, although I’m not sure how long they will continue with it now that the government has stopped the extra funding.

In terms of selectivity, I personally wouldn’t put any of these in the truly super-selective category. To me, the genuinely super-selective schools are the ones that don’t effectively favour children based on where they live. As far as I know, in the London area that is basically QE, Wilson’s and St Olave’s. Most of the others have some sort of catchment or distance factor, so location still gives some children an advantage.

For these four specifically, if access to central London matters for work or commuting, I’d probably rule out Judd first. Then, because SGS and WCGS are so close to each other, and SGS is slightly stronger academically, I’d probably rule out WCGS as well. That then leaves SGS and DGS.

Both are good schools, but honestly, I still wouldn’t move house just for those two. If I were prepared to move, I’d be more inclined to do it for one of the three truly super-selective schools, assuming my son could realistically get in. If I were renting and could move fairly easily, then between Dartford and Sutton I’d mainly be looking at budget and environment. Dartford is quite a big town with fast trains into London, while Sutton feels a bit smaller and, in my opinion, the surrounding area is nicer, although property is probably more expensive.

naraguta · 13/04/2026 20:52

Was told by a tutor that the Kent grammars are not as over subscribed as the Sutton grammars- thus less competitive and generally easier to get into. Her opinion. Over 12 years experience in the 11 + prepping system.

IndeCandidate · 14/04/2026 07:47

@naraguta tutors have no
idea to be very honest just mere speculations as no one except council knows how many parents applied etc etc …

Also Kent is very large area wise n schools are scattered for ex judd n dgs are quite far from each other ..
its hard to know as there is inner n outer catchment , trains vs buses etc etc ..

best is to select what is more convenient to commute to as none of these 4 schools are not as superselective as being in like st olaves, QE or Wilson n the children varies widely in academic performances for the same reason.

my friend eldest son goes to superselective n younger to one of these 4 n she didn’t expect academic difference would be so huge. She is hoping child will do well at gcse n make a switch

naraguta · 16/04/2026 17:49

As there are more Kent schools to choose from it just makes them less oversubscribed. A Kent grammar pass is more likely to be offered a place compared to a grammar school pass in Sutton. Not necessarily that kids who go for Sutton are 'smarter' - its just simple supply and demand. Two of mine have been through the system - grammar in Sutton and the other in Bromley - and now the youngest going through to another Sutton grammar in September. But its all good- I'd pick the closest to get to. A lot will also depend on the cohort for that specific year which can make the league tables quite fickle from year to year. Happiness is free- that's what counts. And what will make them excel.

trying29 · 16/04/2026 18:44

naraguta · 16/04/2026 17:49

As there are more Kent schools to choose from it just makes them less oversubscribed. A Kent grammar pass is more likely to be offered a place compared to a grammar school pass in Sutton. Not necessarily that kids who go for Sutton are 'smarter' - its just simple supply and demand. Two of mine have been through the system - grammar in Sutton and the other in Bromley - and now the youngest going through to another Sutton grammar in September. But its all good- I'd pick the closest to get to. A lot will also depend on the cohort for that specific year which can make the league tables quite fickle from year to year. Happiness is free- that's what counts. And what will make them excel.

if you have a son going to Wallington, I'd be happy to connect as we dont know others going

naraguta · 16/04/2026 22:28

trying29 · 16/04/2026 18:44

if you have a son going to Wallington, I'd be happy to connect as we dont know others going

Hi - my son finished from Wallington. He's now in 2nd year @ Uni. He was vey happy at W boys. Did really well and made friends for life. My youngest - DD is going to Non Such this September.

L186 · 29/04/2026 21:31

IndeCandidate · 14/04/2026 07:47

@naraguta tutors have no
idea to be very honest just mere speculations as no one except council knows how many parents applied etc etc …

Also Kent is very large area wise n schools are scattered for ex judd n dgs are quite far from each other ..
its hard to know as there is inner n outer catchment , trains vs buses etc etc ..

best is to select what is more convenient to commute to as none of these 4 schools are not as superselective as being in like st olaves, QE or Wilson n the children varies widely in academic performances for the same reason.

my friend eldest son goes to superselective n younger to one of these 4 n she didn’t expect academic difference would be so huge. She is hoping child will do well at gcse n make a switch

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hi, may I know which one (out of these 4) is her younger son went and she saw the huge difference?

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L186 · 29/04/2026 21:44

naraguta · 16/04/2026 22:28

Hi - my son finished from Wallington. He's now in 2nd year @ Uni. He was vey happy at W boys. Did really well and made friends for life. My youngest - DD is going to Non Such this September.

Congrats! So you must have lots of inside about Wallington, what made you / your DS choose it over Sutton grammar? How’s Wallington’s pastoral care?
I’m not sure the fine differences among these two school plus Judd. They all good schools and offer A level.
For DGS, we were attracted by its IB and MYP, but due to the government’s announcement of stopping fund for IB, it’s so much uncertainty out there. Plus, we started to realise that IB might not suitable for DS due to its intense workload for 6 subjects and extensive writing requirements for EE, TOK, etc. etc.
can someone who’s doing or did IB help us to understand how exactly is it? Although, DGS might drop IB if not enough funding? Then how good will be there A level?

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naraguta · 30/04/2026 11:36

L186 · 29/04/2026 21:44

Congrats! So you must have lots of inside about Wallington, what made you / your DS choose it over Sutton grammar? How’s Wallington’s pastoral care?
I’m not sure the fine differences among these two school plus Judd. They all good schools and offer A level.
For DGS, we were attracted by its IB and MYP, but due to the government’s announcement of stopping fund for IB, it’s so much uncertainty out there. Plus, we started to realise that IB might not suitable for DS due to its intense workload for 6 subjects and extensive writing requirements for EE, TOK, etc. etc.
can someone who’s doing or did IB help us to understand how exactly is it? Although, DGS might drop IB if not enough funding? Then how good will be there A level?

Hi - so we put W Boys as 1st choice on CAF because DS is into sports. Didn't just want academics. Pastoral care was great. Couldn't fault them there. Weight of decision is going to be tailored to individual circumstances. Aspired children will do well in any of the schools mentioned with good support from home. And DS is in Uni with friends who went to some of the other schools mentioned above. So they tend to end up in the same Unis anyway, studying the same courses.

PrettyBigThings · 30/04/2026 15:43

If you cut into GCSE results, I think SGS is much higher than WCGS? Depends what you want but I remember being surprised that our local comp seems to be getting similar results if you look at the higher achieving kids.

naraguta · 30/04/2026 20:21

PrettyBigThings · 30/04/2026 15:43

If you cut into GCSE results, I think SGS is much higher than WCGS? Depends what you want but I remember being surprised that our local comp seems to be getting similar results if you look at the higher achieving kids.

Our DS just preferred the W Boys 'vibe' to SGS. He was also into rugby. GCSE results might be a little higher but its a little inconsequential. It can change year on year. With A levels I remember W boys having the upper hand there with attainment. But these schools are both filled with academically gifted kids. Its all relative to individual circumstances. As parents we can a little wrapped up in it - understandably. The kids just get on with it and don't seem to care about the league tables once they get in.

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