Do you always have to accept a place, even if not your preference?

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FWIW We are based in London (not sure if the process works differently elsewhere).

We have 6 choices for state secondary schools.

There is often quite a bit of movement in the waiting lists, I guess for a combination of families going private and families moving in and out of the area.

My questions are:

• Let's say that on national offer day I get my 6th choice. I must accept it, right? In other words, if I don't accept it it means the council will no longer give me a place anywhere and I'll have to go private or homeschool?
• Let's say that I have accepted the 6th choice. Then the 5h choice becomes available. If I refuse the 5th choice, will I still be considered for my 4th, 3rd etc if places become available there?
• Is the communication via the council only? Do I log into the eadmissions website, and is that where they tell me where I am on the waiting list, and where I have to accept or refuse a place? Or is communication with each school directly?

yes you must accept and then ask to go on the waitlist for any others that you prefer

Yes you should accept the place to stay in the system and automatically stay on the list for the higher preference schools. Yes you accept via the readmission site.

In my area as there are some schools with additional admission requirements the waiting list for those is managed by the schools directly. The "standard" schools by the council. I can't remember how I accessed the list though.

It's all detailed on my council's school page so you should read it on yours to make sure it's the same for you.

Round here you would accept it BUT you can go on as many waiting lists as you like. I think they are held by the school not the council. Bear in mind it won’t just be a numerical waiting list your place on it will depend on the admissions criteria so you could theoretically move down the waiting list as well as up.

Movement will be very common, though in many cases quite late in the day. Our council always sees a lot of movement at the beginning of September when kids have moved away (and parents failed to inform the council) and don’t turn up on the first day.

The process for waiting list offers will vary by LA. 6 is quite a large number of preferences(some LA allow only 3) so as long as they were realistic choices, bearing in mind admissions criteria for each and proximity, it is likely you would qualify for one. Rejecting an offer with no definite alternative plan is risky. If you don’t accept the offer you may not be made another unless you proactively request to remain on wl for others or appeal.

@Clearinguptheclutter Bear in mind it won’t just be a numerical waiting list your place on it will depend on the admissions criteria so you could theoretically move down the waiting list as well as up.

What would make you move down?
Is that because anyone applying late, including anyone moving to the area after the October application deadline, would be added to the same waiting list? or are there other reasons?

Movement will be very common, though in many cases quite late in the day. Our council always sees a lot of movement at the beginning of September when kids have moved away (and parents failed to inform the council) and don’t turn up on the first day.

There should be a special place in hell for those families! Around here it seems that most of the movement in the waiting list is in the first few weeks, because private schools' deadlines to accept a place are between February and April.

How about the other question: if I accept the 6th choice, then a place comes up at the 5th, would I still be considered for my 4th, 3rd etc if I refuse the 5th?

Yes - you will just be on the separate waiting lists for each school at that point, so turning down a place at one has no bearing on the others.

re moving down waiting lists

imagine the entry criteria is siblings first distance second.

you could be at the top of the waiting list but another kid could be added to it later who has sibling priority, and if a place then becomes available they will get it
similarly your distance from the school will (likely) be noted on your application but someone else could join the list later who lives closer, again they trump you if there is a space

check the entry criteria carefully before joining waiting lists

If you are offered and accept your 6th choice, you won't be offered anything else. Should a place come up at a school you placed higher, it won't be offered to you.
You accept one place, and go on waiting lists for any others which, as a pp said, you can move up or down.

@CorneliaCupp I am confused. You say that

If you are offered and accept your 6th choice, you won't be offered anything else. Should a place come up at a school you placed higher, it won't be offered to you.

and then that

You accept one place, and go on waiting lists for any others which, as a pp said, you can move up or down.

Aren't the two statements in contradiction?
If I won't go private nor will I homeschool, and I am offered my 6th choice, I must accept it.
But I still have a chance at my 5th, 4th etc choices, do I not?

Why do you say that "Should a place come up at a school you placed higher, it won't be offered to you." ? Isn't the purpose of being on the waiting list for my 5th 4th etc exactly that?

@Clearinguptheclutter your distance from the school will (likely) be noted on your application but someone else could join the list later who lives closer, again they trump you if there is a space

In other words, this means that those who applied on time and those who make a late application for whatever reason (e.g. because they moved to the area just after National Offer Day) are in the same waiting list and compete for the same places, right? So I could be #1 on a waiting list as of April 2026, but if the next day someone moves into the area and moves next door to the school and applies to the same school, then that family will become #1 on the waiting list and I will be moved to #2? Did I understand correctly?

The choices you made in your application are only valid while the council are making their judgements. On national offer everyone is offered one place at a school. Once an offer has been made, your ranking of schools becomes irrelevant.
You decide whether or not to accept the offered school. Either way, you can also choose to go on as many waiting lists as you like, whether or not the school was one of your original choices. Once you are at the top of a waiting list, if a place becomes available you will be offered it.

Hope that's clearer, sorry!

It does vary. My area presumes you accept. Then you stay on waiting lists. If you reject on offer day,you remain on waiting lists. However if you don't reach the top of the list, you are responsible for finding an alternative, not the council.

Yes, late applicants go into the same waiting lists.

Correct! Someone could join the waiting list after you who is higher up based on that schools admissions policy, and they would go before you on the list.

Also, if people win appeals, the school won't offer more places until they are back at PAN.

Correct. If you are offered no.6 you won’t automatically be offered any subsequent vacancies on 1-5 unless the LA states it automatically puts you on the wl for those of higher preference or you request to join it. After national offers day any available places are offered to whoever is on wl at that time, whether they applied on time, have moved or made an application after the deadline(such as if they decide to leave a private school), in order of priority according to the admissions criteria.

@CorneliaCupp The choices you made in your application are only valid while the council are making their judgements. On national offer everyone is offered one place at a school. Once an offer has been made, your ranking of schools becomes irrelevant.

Aaahhhh, thank you for clarifying! This is quite the biggie and, to be honest, it was not clear to me at all. I have not found it spelt out explicitly neither on the council's website nor in the admission policies of the schools.

My understanding was that I would be put on waiting lists automatically and that my ranking would continue to apply. Thank you for clarifying that's not the case.

This also means that, after national offer day, I can change my mind on the ranking, right?
E.g. I accept the 6th option but remain on the waiting list for the other 5.
Then suppose on the same day a place becomes available at schools 3 and 4. I can refuse 3 and accept 4, even if I had originally ranked 3 higher, right?

you can also choose to go on as many waiting lists as you like, whether or not the school was one of your original choices.

This is another biggie that wasn't clear to me at all, so thank you for mentioning it.
How does it work? Say I get my 6th choice on national offer day.
If I want to add choices 7 and 8 and be on those waiting lists, do I contact the schools directly? Or the council?

@LIZS If you are offered no.6 you won’t automatically be offered any subsequent vacancies on 1-5 unless the LA states it automatically puts you on the wl for those of higher preference or you request to join it.

So the complication is that some councils automatically put you on the waiting lists for schools 1 to 5, while others do not do that automatically, right? What a mess... A bit more consistency would be helpful!

Do double check the local rules because I believe in some councils (Herts rings a bell) you automatically go onto the waitlist for all schools and then are automatically moved to a higher pref school if it becomes available - even though you may by then have got used to the idea of the initially allocated school. You can take yourself OFF continuing interest lists in a council like this.

You need to check how your Local Authority manages this situation - what other posters write may be correct for their area but not for yours. The information will be on their admissions website.

This also means that, after national offer day, I can change my mind on the ranking, right?
E.g. I accept the 6th option but remain on the waiting list for the other 5.
Then suppose on the same day a place becomes available at schools 3 and 4. I can refuse 3 and accept 4, even if I had originally ranked 3 higher, right?

Yes

As pp have said, check the rules for your specific LA re automatically putting you on waiting lists.
But you can definitely join the waiting list for any school you want, anywhere you want in England!

You can even choose to be added to wl for a school other than 1-6. Which may be a reason you move position after offers day as others reconsider their options.

Mumsnet needs to have this running as a banner across the top of the screen on both 'Primary Education' and 'Secondary Education', really...

As PP say, check carefully on local council website about waiting lists.

Our council automatically puts you on waiting lists for any/all higher ranked schools than the accepted place except schools with additional criteria - for us that was the faith schools where you put in additional evidence for the allocated faith places.

The waiting lists for our council last until end of first term, we were eventually offered a place at our 1st choice school 2 weeks before Christmas!

My council is Wandsworth, London. They say that

Unsuccessful applicants are included in the school's waiting list. This includes applications that were submitted after the deadline. These applicants are ranked according to the school's oversubscription criteria in their admissions arrangements.

https://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/schools-and-admissions/admissions/secondary-school-admissions/check-your-secondary-school-waiting-list-position/

So, if I understand that correctly, if I get my 6th choice then they automatically add me to the waiting lists for 1 to 5.

That’s how it works for us too.

you can join WLs for hundreds of schools after offer day if you so wish. They are I think all run independently tho w us when we accepted WL places we were asked if we wished to remain on other WLs