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GCSE: is it true they're graded so that ca 1/3 must fail? How are boundaries decided?

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ParentOfOne · 12/09/2025 14:04

I understand that grade boundaries can change from year to year and from exam board to exam board. E.g. a 4 in Maths can be 40 points out of 240 one year and 45 out of 240 another year. That I get.

What I don't understand is:

  • what, exactly, is the statistical methodology to adjust the boundaries from year to year? Is it even publicly disclosed? How much of a subjective, qualitative assessment is it?
  • Is it true that the exams are graded on a curve in such a way that, by design, ca. 1/3 of the kids will fail?

On the last point, there are many mumsnetters who hold very strong opinions that it's true, but I have not found official confirmation.

If it were true, it would mean that the bottom third would fail regardless of score; e.g. one year the bottom third could score 40% of the points, another year 55%.

If we look at Maths Grade boundaries for Edexcel, we see that a 4 has ranged from 51% to 60% of the total points in the foundation paper, and from 17% to 22% of the higher paper. These are not percentiles, but percentages of the total point. https://mathsbot.com/gcse/boundaries

This doesn't seem to me like a system that's designed to fail 1/3 of the students regardless of score.
If you get less than 50-60% of the questions right in the easier version of the exam, and less than 20% in the harder version, it seems pretty clear to me that you have not even mastered the basics of the subjects. In many countries 60% or thereabout tends to be the threshold for passing.

This is also why I don't understand those who say that 1 to 3 are also passes. You pass if you get 10% of the points? What is the definition of failing then?

Or am I missing something?

TES explained that in the first year the % of grade 9 was set equal to a certain % of those achieving >=7, but how it changed after the first year is unclear https://www.tes.com/magazine/analysis/secondary/gcse-and-a-level-grade-boundaries

GCSE maths grade boundaries

All the past grade boundaries for the 9 - 1 GCSE mathematics exam. All exam boards and tiers included.

https://mathsbot.com/gcse/boundaries

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cantkeepawayforever · 16/09/2025 09:00

One obvious improvement would be for the 3s, currently stuck in and endless retake loop, to be allowed to move to functional skills (which may be seen as more relevant and thus get better engagement) after eg 1 resit of standard GCSE.

Or to move to a criterion-referenced qualification that says what a student CAN do (and thus has no overall ‘pass/fail’, just ‘can do arithmetic, can’t do algebra’that can be considered by future employers .

noblegiraffe · 16/09/2025 09:01

The kids who sit it at 17 and 18 have an extra sitting just for them in November, and sit the same paper as the 16 year olds in June. That’s already well established.

sashh · 16/09/2025 11:09

noblegiraffe · 16/09/2025 09:01

The kids who sit it at 17 and 18 have an extra sitting just for them in November, and sit the same paper as the 16 year olds in June. That’s already well established.

Is it?

There should be a 100% pass rate then because you know all the questions and have model answers.

I don't think you are right on this. I know I'm ancient but I actually did one O Level (English Lang) early and that was a November sitting.

Talipesmum · 16/09/2025 11:16

sashh · 16/09/2025 11:09

Is it?

There should be a 100% pass rate then because you know all the questions and have model answers.

I don't think you are right on this. I know I'm ancient but I actually did one O Level (English Lang) early and that was a November sitting.

No, it’s a new exam paper, not the exact same one people sat earlier in the year. It’s equivalent, but not literally the same exact set of questions - I think that’s what noblegiraffe meant?
And of course there wouldn’t be a 100% pass rate - they didn’t do that well last time they took it, it’s really hard to do better this time unless they’re really dedicating themselves to it. I would guess this resit lets those who are basically much more capable but who screwed up in the June tests recover the grade. It would be a lot harder for those who really struggle with maths.

TeenToTwenties · 16/09/2025 11:16

sashh · 16/09/2025 11:09

Is it?

There should be a 100% pass rate then because you know all the questions and have model answers.

I don't think you are right on this. I know I'm ancient but I actually did one O Level (English Lang) early and that was a November sitting.

No that's not what @noblegiraffe meant!
She meant same difficulty!

flawlessflipper · 16/09/2025 11:19

sashh · 16/09/2025 11:09

Is it?

There should be a 100% pass rate then because you know all the questions and have model answers.

I don't think you are right on this. I know I'm ancient but I actually did one O Level (English Lang) early and that was a November sitting.

@noblegiraffe didn’t say the November paper and the summer paper have the same questions. They don’t. She said Y11 students can’t sit GCSEs in the November series. That is correct. She also said in the summer series resits students sit the same paper as the 16 year olds. There isn’t a separate paper for resit candidates.

For English, there isn’t a foundation and higher paper for English. If they had 2 tiers, it would help, IMO.

noblegiraffe · 16/09/2025 13:36

Yeah that’s what I meant, there are two gcse maths sittings
November - resits only
June - Y11 and resits

Different question papers for November to the ones for June. Same difficulty though.

flawlessflipper · 16/09/2025 13:45

The November GCSE series is available for candidates who are at least 16 on the previous 31st August. It isn’t resits only. Someone 16+ could take it for the first time in the November series.

noblegiraffe · 16/09/2025 13:51

flawlessflipper · 16/09/2025 13:45

The November GCSE series is available for candidates who are at least 16 on the previous 31st August. It isn’t resits only. Someone 16+ could take it for the first time in the November series.

Technically yes, but the age restriction was designed to make it for resitters because a lot of schools were entering Y11 early in November rather than waiting till June and they wanted to stop that.

flawlessflipper · 16/09/2025 13:53

I know it was designed to stop that, I was just pointing out the November GCSE series isn’t only for those resitting.

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