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Number of kids getting extra time in exams MASSIVELY overstated

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noblegiraffe · 19/07/2025 15:20

Ofqual are withdrawing their statistics on how many children getting extra time and other accommodations in GCSEs and A-levels because they've admitted that they are completely wrong. It's something I know has been referenced quite a few times here so I thought it worth flagging.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jul/17/ofqual-admits-massively-exaggerating-number-of-students-getting-exam-assistance?

"The new analysis suggests that the actual proportion of students receiving access arrangements – including 25% extra time in exams – is now broadly in line with the proportion of students with special educational needs in the school population."

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ofqual-withdraws-access-arrangements-statistics

Ofqual admits massively exaggerating number of students getting exam assistance

Regulator for England withdraws statistics for students receiving assistance in A-Level and GCSE exams going back to 2014

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jul/17/ofqual-admits-massively-exaggerating-number-of-students-getting-exam-assistance

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yakkity · 20/07/2025 08:04

sleepingonapineneedle · 20/07/2025 04:55

Yes agree. It’s like winning the 400m race but actually you got extra time because you have a genetic disadvantage in running. (Short legs or not as many fast twitch muscle etc)

completely different in a running race the skill is speed. In a physics exam it isn’t. Your analogy is useless.

your analogy would be more like if a candidate was given the formula for each answer. Or given the start of each answer. Because that would be advantaging them in what is being tested. Speed is not being tested in a physics exam.

Jessnwoody · 20/07/2025 08:06

BusWankers · 20/07/2025 08:02

Oh are you the SENCO there then? And privy to all EHCPSs, EPs and all that?

@BusWankers i’m not SENCO and have no plans to be. One of the reasons it’s really difficult to have an open conversation about these sorts of issues is because of these sorts of responses: people get defensive and prickly, which I do understand believe it or not, I’m not a witch and I do realise it must be frustrating when your child has a genuine need that others are disparaging about.

But I am not the only one who has expressed concerns about the number of diagnosed conditions in children at the moment. I do think it’s something that needs bringing out into the open, even if it’s a difficult conversation. Anyway, while I’m not SENCO I’m also not answering from a point of complete ignorance either.

BusWankers · 20/07/2025 08:06

catbathat · 20/07/2025 08:01

Well then, if time is not relevant, why not allow all candidates extra time?

Because the majority don't need the extra time.
The exam is set with enough time to answer the questions for a "normal" candidate.
They know that the 30 questions can be answered by most candidates in 1hr 30m, with time for a small/quick review.

Most candidates would be twiddling their thumbs during the extra times or doubting their answers and going back over them.

You also clearly don't know that some candidates are given 50% or even 100% extra time, rest breaks, allowed drinks, listen to music, scribes, readers, prompters etc

noblegiraffe · 20/07/2025 08:06

catbathat · 20/07/2025 08:01

Well then, if time is not relevant, why not allow all candidates extra time?

Because then they'd be sat in the exam hall twiddling their thumbs because they have finished the exam. I could give loads of kids extra time and it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to their grade because they still wouldn't be able to answer the questions that they couldn't answer in normal time, and they had finished the questions that they could.

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spoonbillstretford · 20/07/2025 08:07

catbathat · 20/07/2025 03:11

And what percentage is that?
I think exam grade should somehow indicate if it was achieved with extra time or without. As an employer I would want to know!!

Please could you tell us what your business is so I can make sure I avoid it.

HappilyUrbanTrimmer · 20/07/2025 08:07

Thingsthatgo · 20/07/2025 07:29

It’s a interesting discussion. Obviously, indicating that an exam was passed by using extra time defeats the whole
point of allowing it. However, some of the problems that lead to extra exam time will also be a problem in the work place.
Exam grades indicate how will someone does under a certain amount of pressure. Coursework presents different challenges for people with SEN. (I’m great in exams, I have always enjoyed them, but really struggled with coursework at school).

If an employer needs to know about the ability of job candidates to do a specific thing in a specific way they should test all the candidates appropriately under conditions that accurately reflect the workplace environment. A gcse certificate is not supposed to and is not designed to do this function. It certifies how much of the GCSE syllabus each candidate successfully learned and should not be used as a proxy for measuring something else.

yakkity · 20/07/2025 08:07

minnienono · 20/07/2025 07:36

At my friends school (he teaches at a fairly prestigious in area private school) 40% of kids had extra time, he thought it was ridiculous and a complete gaming of the system, none of those he believed should have it

If he is arrogant enough and stupid enough to think he is the arbiter of what people need or don’t need he shouldn’t be working with children.

Christ. Imagine the level of arrogance in thinking he knew better than actual professionals measuring need. It takes a lot of hoop jumping to get extra time. Meanwhile Gary the lab tech thinks he knows better

twistyizzy · 20/07/2025 08:08

noblegiraffe · 20/07/2025 08:04

If the school can't demonstrate that the pupil needs it and is disadvantaged without it, then the school shouldn't be allowing it. JCQ would pick this up.

But its not at the discretion of the school to allow/not. As I already explained, they have to apply for RAs. The school don't decide who gets RAs.

Jessnwoody · 20/07/2025 08:08

PauliString · 20/07/2025 08:04

Unfortunately DD absorbed that sort of reasoning and didn't apply for extra time at university, or take us up on our offer of paying for speedier assessment, preferring to wait for the NHS "real" diagnosis.

..which has duly arrived, just a few weeks too late to be of any help in her Finals. So at least one student out there was entitled to extra time that she didn't get, if that makes grumpy potential employers feel any better.

She’s twenty one, I presume - she has to take ownership and responsibility for that decision, as harsh as that sounds.

BusWankers · 20/07/2025 08:08

Jessnwoody · 20/07/2025 08:06

@BusWankers i’m not SENCO and have no plans to be. One of the reasons it’s really difficult to have an open conversation about these sorts of issues is because of these sorts of responses: people get defensive and prickly, which I do understand believe it or not, I’m not a witch and I do realise it must be frustrating when your child has a genuine need that others are disparaging about.

But I am not the only one who has expressed concerns about the number of diagnosed conditions in children at the moment. I do think it’s something that needs bringing out into the open, even if it’s a difficult conversation. Anyway, while I’m not SENCO I’m also not answering from a point of complete ignorance either.

Well the issue is that if they meet the criteria, they get the allowances.

You might not agree with the decision, or be privy to the reasons why.

Like one kid might have a learning difficulty where the need the extra time in essay based subjects, but you might not think they need it because it doesn't present as an issue in your class,because you teach pure maths. (Or whatever)

twistyizzy · 20/07/2025 08:10

BusWankers · 20/07/2025 08:06

Because the majority don't need the extra time.
The exam is set with enough time to answer the questions for a "normal" candidate.
They know that the 30 questions can be answered by most candidates in 1hr 30m, with time for a small/quick review.

Most candidates would be twiddling their thumbs during the extra times or doubting their answers and going back over them.

You also clearly don't know that some candidates are given 50% or even 100% extra time, rest breaks, allowed drinks, listen to music, scribes, readers, prompters etc

"Some" maybe, if their SEND requires it and they provide medical proof. Most don't have those adjustments and the most common is 10-15% extra time

noblegiraffe · 20/07/2025 08:10

twistyizzy · 20/07/2025 08:08

But its not at the discretion of the school to allow/not. As I already explained, they have to apply for RAs. The school don't decide who gets RAs.

That's why I said JCQ would pick it up.

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yakkity · 20/07/2025 08:10

TheNightingalesStarling · 20/07/2025 07:38

We are going through the process for DD as she needs extra time for processing things. She has dyslexia. Its irrelevant to her Maths knowledge that she needs extra time to read that "Johnny has three apples and Sara has 4 oranges" when the question is how much fruit there is (very simplistic). If it was a test of how quickly and accurate she read something, it might be relevant.

DHs employer knows about his dyslexia as he needs a couple of adjustments at work (mainly a proof reader for formal reports)

Which he won’t even need as AI will proof everything. So it’s not even a disability in the real world. So he is fully capable abd excellent at what he does and technology will make his dyslexia a non issue and yet people thinking he is somehow a lesser employee and think people like your DH should be treated negatively because they need accommodations in an exam that will never impact in the real world. It’s mad isn’t it?

twistyizzy · 20/07/2025 08:11

noblegiraffe · 20/07/2025 08:10

That's why I said JCQ would pick it up.

JCQ don't monitor schools. They monitor AOs.
You are getting mixed up with a lot of what you are saying.

spoonbillstretford · 20/07/2025 08:11

Ofqual are absolute dicks. They should be disbanded for this, they are not fit for purpose.

Middlechild3 · 20/07/2025 08:13

minnienono · 20/07/2025 07:36

At my friends school (he teaches at a fairly prestigious in area private school) 40% of kids had extra time, he thought it was ridiculous and a complete gaming of the system, none of those he believed should have it

As an exam invigilator I see this too. Some warrant it but I'm amazed at the percentage that get it. Not sure it's really necessary in a lot of cases as they don't always use it.

yakkity · 20/07/2025 08:13

Jessnwoody · 20/07/2025 07:51

I think (and I’m not wanting to sound as if I’m being critical of anyone on this thread) the problem is that the evidence is often a bit vague and woolly: ‘needs time to process things’ for example could apply to many of us at many moments. Some adjustments are really straightforward - visual impairment needing enlarged text; easy. Others are far more vague and can become a tick boxing exercise.

You are extraordinarily privileged if you are really this unaware of the issue and think some vague moments will have schools rushing to get you extra time.

the process is long and multi factored and no one just gets it because someone thinks a student is a bit slow. There are many checks and tests and evidence requirements

Jessnwoody · 20/07/2025 08:14

BusWankers · 20/07/2025 08:08

Well the issue is that if they meet the criteria, they get the allowances.

You might not agree with the decision, or be privy to the reasons why.

Like one kid might have a learning difficulty where the need the extra time in essay based subjects, but you might not think they need it because it doesn't present as an issue in your class,because you teach pure maths. (Or whatever)

I don’t disagree. What I’m saying is that when a lot of children meet that criteria, then that has a sort of moves the goalposts for everybody.

You’re saying ‘well they meet the criteria = extra time, done, dealt with, let’s move on.’ I’m looking a bit beyond that. So I’m not actually disagreeing with you, just wondering where we’ll be if every year more and more meet the criteria which is the current trajectory.

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Jamesblonde2 · 20/07/2025 08:15

Let’s face it, with the number of kids applying for and being granted (a thread the other days mentioning a 1 hour assessment?) some diagnosis or other, the kids not getting extra 25% time (that’s a massive amount) or this or that, are clearly the ones who will become disadvantaged.

The number of diagnosis is ballooning.

What’s to say some type of neurological issue isn’t becoming the norm.

The amount of extra time given is a joke.

twistyizzy · 20/07/2025 08:15

Middlechild3 · 20/07/2025 08:13

As an exam invigilator I see this too. Some warrant it but I'm amazed at the percentage that get it. Not sure it's really necessary in a lot of cases as they don't always use it.

Who are you to say who does/doesn't deserve it?
If they fit the requirements laid down by JCQ then they will get whatever appropriate RA they need

yakkity · 20/07/2025 08:16

Middlechild3 · 20/07/2025 08:13

As an exam invigilator I see this too. Some warrant it but I'm amazed at the percentage that get it. Not sure it's really necessary in a lot of cases as they don't always use it.

Again the extraordinary arrogance of an exam invigilator thinking you know better than SEN experts, psychologists and educators who have worked extensively and for years collating evidence. But then Martha who sits and watches in an exam thinks she knows better. The arrogance is outrageous

Yellowbirdcage · 20/07/2025 08:16

Anecdotally I volunteered to invigilate the GCSE mocks at DC’s school and of the 20+ children in the room not a single one worked on their papers one minute longer than the standard given time for the exam. Most finished early.

Jessnwoody · 20/07/2025 08:18

yakkity · 20/07/2025 08:13

You are extraordinarily privileged if you are really this unaware of the issue and think some vague moments will have schools rushing to get you extra time.

the process is long and multi factored and no one just gets it because someone thinks a student is a bit slow. There are many checks and tests and evidence requirements

lol at both being extraordinarily privileged and being unaware of the issue.

At no point have I said that vague moments get you extra time. What I have said is that some of the criteria can be vague and can be seen to apply to everyone. It’s that old ‘all fish live in water, not everything living in water is a fish’ saying.

nfkl · 20/07/2025 08:18

This system is mad.
Too many people abuse it.
It definitely has an impact in the real world.