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Moving to SW of Greater London

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SapphireDenim · 27/02/2025 12:22

Hi, hoping to get opinions from the hive mind. We are a family of 4 (4yo and 6yo) and we are planning a move from Streatham Hill out to SW of London for more garden, more green (grew up in Barnes and Yorkshire Dales), better state schools and easier commute to Kingston Hospital (need to be able to pitch up within half an hour out of hours) but also still need to be able to get into London quickly and easily. Neither of us work from home so school pick up logistics from stations is a major concern for us.

We love SH, great community, loads of extracurriculars, affordable house prices good commute into London and lovely primary schools. But it is starting to feel quite urban and unless we go private (£££), secondaries all feel quite urban too.

We’ve been looking at the loop around Kingston- Sheen, Surbiton, Thames Ditton, Hinchley Wood, Esher, E Molesley, Twickenham and Hampton. But we are going around in circles. And wonder if we have missed any other good areas? Budget is 1.5M. We also considered Weybridge, Epsom, Cobham and Walton, but were a bit concerned about the ability to get to Kingston Hospital within 30 mins from there on weekends.

Alot of the naicer places above have some compromise- no good state schools, long double drop off distances, slow/infrequent trains, stations miles from schools, raceday traffic, boring, flooding risk etc. Although agreed some factors are more important than others.

We are also getting our head round the idea of having to drive around everywhere. We live in a LTN currently and walk to school and then on to the station. The school drop off in a car is a major mystery to us. Do the schools have parking areas? Or drop off zones?

Similarly which of the stations are best for access to London whilst having adequate nearby parking? In case where we move to/schools is not within walking distance to stations.

We gather secondary state schools are the main issue in the area. And we are working out the whole feeder school system. Hinchley wood school keeps coming up for us. But would be interested to find out which other schools to consider? We are certainly impressed by the green playing fields on google maps. Also wondering about Esher COE High and Esher College?

We are hoping birth rate decline will play into our favour in terms of catchment areas. But also we are aware there may be an impact from private school VAT which may counter that effect.

We’re kind of hoping someone will come up with somewhere we’ve missed that is the answer to all our problems. 🤩 But also aware that likely we will just have to work out our priorities. We’d really appreciate any opinions from other parents that have made or are considering similar moves. TIA!

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Muminthemiddle22 · 01/03/2025 13:53

A PP said Kingston hospital is not near a station. This is incorrect - it is literally over the road from Norbiton train station.

OP if look at new Malden, near Coombe Girls school is nice, or the Groves area near New Malden train station.

Surbiton or parts of Berrylands is also good.

All in catchment for Tiiffins boys and girls.
Coombe girls school or Tolworth girls, Holy cross Girls

Hinckley wood mixed- you need to live very near in some parts of Surbiton, or Thames Ditton.

clearingup · 01/03/2025 13:58

@SapphireDenim I would recommend Hampton Hill. It has easy access to Kingston Hospital by train from Fulwell Station to Norbiton. There are also regular buses to Kingston (285) and its a lovely walk/cycle across Bushy Park. So long as you're at the Fulwell end or central part of Hampton Hill you can be confident of places at Turing House, and Waldegrave is a possibility too. Both are outstanding.

Check out the Turing House admissions policy - it's unusual.

privatenonamegiven · 01/03/2025 15:14

incognito119 · 01/03/2025 11:55

I’m terms of nationwide standing - Waldegrave is 350th nationwide for state school results, Orleans is 460. Grey court in ham/richmond 338 , Hinckley wood 477 and Richmond 684. I didn’t mention grey court in my previous post as you need to live in ham which would mean a bus ride to Richmond station each day adding approx 20 mins to a London commute but the fast train to Waterloo is 20 mins.
Obviously, there is more to a school than results and if I was looking , I would pick Orleans park as they have good pastoral and sports, their a levels are strong andthey get a good amount in to Oxford and Cambridge each year. The downside is that the catchment is relatively small but you can see the maps of intake from the council website each year. Go for waldegrave jf you favour a girls only approach until 6th form. If you have bright kids you can also look at tiffin in Kingston which is a state grammar school and takes from all over SW London and surrey.

Edited

Lots of children who live in North Kingston go to Grey Court - it's catchment area is North Kingston and Ham (In Richmond) as they are right next to each other.

OP definitely worth considering that area if you need to be at Kingston Hospital in 30 minutes.

fitch568 · 01/03/2025 19:44

SapphireDenim · 01/03/2025 10:59

Thanks for the input everyone! Lots to think about. Looking at schools is certainly how we are thinking about it. But we’ve always found ofsted reports a bit useless in differentiating between good and outstanding schools. Nothing quite like some boots on the ground opinions! 😜

I know its very subjective and contentious. But which is preferable of hinchley wood, orleans, esher high school, waldegrave and richmond and kingston academies? And are some stronger for certain things?

Its very difficult to know how the kids will turn out when they are so young. But it would be nice to know which schools excel in academics, sports arts etc.

thanks again!

Try the good schools guide for in-depth reviews.

clearingup · 01/03/2025 19:58

fitch568 · 01/03/2025 19:44

Try the good schools guide for in-depth reviews.

Do you work for them? GSG doesn't review every school. Try Ofsted Parentview first (https://parentview.ofsted.gov.uk/), and the government's Compare Schools website: https://www.compare-school-performance.service.gov.uk/

fitch568 · 01/03/2025 20:11

@clearingup no I don't! I used it when I was looking and found it really helpful - they have a couple of the schools mentioned here for sure (as I looked at esher & HW) but maybe not all the others? I know they go into detail on the sections OP is asking about so thought that might help. You do have to pay to read all the reviews though. Progress 8 helpful too but I found hardly any parent comments on ofsted site. Best way is a visit to each of course. Good luck OP!

clearingup · 01/03/2025 20:19

fitch568 · 01/03/2025 20:11

@clearingup no I don't! I used it when I was looking and found it really helpful - they have a couple of the schools mentioned here for sure (as I looked at esher & HW) but maybe not all the others? I know they go into detail on the sections OP is asking about so thought that might help. You do have to pay to read all the reviews though. Progress 8 helpful too but I found hardly any parent comments on ofsted site. Best way is a visit to each of course. Good luck OP!

"I found hardly any parent comments on ofsted site"

You have to change the settings to the year of the school's last inspection. Whenever a school is inspected, the parents get an invitation to do the survey. (They can do it at other times too, but hardly anyone does).

SlightlyJaded · 03/03/2025 14:11

We have experience of Ibstock, RPA (Richmond Park Academy) and Waldegrave.

I would (controversially) say this (based only on personal experience):

DD is 19 now. Back when she was starting secondary, we were stuck (East Sheen). Christ's just wasn't the right school for her and we were only going to be offered RPA which - back then - was a mess. It was struggling with out of borough kids who didn't give a shit, mediocre teaching and no strong leadership. Such a shame as the primaries in the area were all outstanding. Conversely, people with daughters, were literally trying to 'beat the system' and rent properties in the Waldegrave catchment area in a desperate bid to get in.

We put DD on the Waldegrave wait list and sent her to Ibstock (even though we couldn't afford it). She was offered a place at the beginning of Year 9 and so we were one of those rare breeds that takes out of private to go into the state system. And it was..... ok. I didn't love Ibstock so I am not comparing to that, but even so, I don't think it remotely lived up to the hype. It was cliquey, teaching was fine but not amazing (a bit hit and miss), it's a bit run down (Sixth form is better) and just not the utopian state school we'd been led to believe....

DS is two years younger. By the time he was ready to start secondary, we'd got more confidence in RPA so - along with a lot of his primary peers - we went for it. It has been fantastic. Because it was (and still is) on an upwards trajectory but still trying to win hearts and minds, it doesn't make the mistake of resting on it's laurels and has been ambitious, aspirational and pastoral care has been superb. It's quite 'strict' now (for a state) - certainly much more than Waldegrave - and they have high expectations of the kids, but DS has loved it. So much so that he had Sixth Form offers from Greycourt and Orleans but decided to stay put.

I know you didn't ask specifically, but I am telling you this as I don't think that league tables and OFSTEDs can really tell you what you want to know. Go to the schools. Speak to kids there. Speak to parents and just a feel.

There are some excellent schools in the Richmond and Twickenham area - but you cannnot - in my experience - judge them by their position on a league table.

And just to reiterate - Sheen is lovely, but FUCK ME, the traffic.....

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