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'A' levels mocks shock

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Alevelsmockshock · 25/02/2025 19:38

Household is in a bit of a state of shock. DD predicted A, B, B and got C, E, U in her February mocks, real thing this summer.

She focused on the subject that she got a C in, but had major problems with time management in all of them. She's currently blaming everyone else but herself (a defence - she's humiliated and shocked). But still going from an A to a U in her 'best' subject was a shocker.

We've had a couple of talks and I'm giving her a bit of space to process things at the moment. She's applied to universities and has some offers based on her previous predicted grades, which now look very unlikely.

I don't care about getting the grades for uni - I just want her to be happy, but never thought I'd see her struggling with academics.

Any chance that focused revision from here on in will help her pull it out of the bag? Not to achieve the offers she has, but just to make her feel reasonably proud of herself.

TIA.

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TheAmusedQuail · 26/02/2025 19:38

clary · 26/02/2025 19:21

Woe betide any teacher who makes a habit of over predicting.

Tbf @TheAmusedQuail lots of teachers are under pressure to over predict for A level, or rather the predict the PGs that students need in order to get the offer they want. A lot of students in DD's year IIRC begged for higher PGs for this reason. It didn't end well in most cases Icl.

I've heard of admin/SLT going into teachers grading system (whichever one the school uses) and changing teachers predicted grades.

BigSilly · 26/02/2025 21:57

MrsHamlet · 25/02/2025 22:47

A full paper. A we have the grade boundaries for each paper so we use those.

Because that's the way we plan the course. We can't do more than one mock in y13 because we're not allowed, so we designed the course to make it as effective as possible.

So we don't need to mark up or down to suit the story we're trying to tell. We simply say "you got X which would've been a grade Y" and take it from there.

It works for us.

I don't understand what you mean. Grades are calculated by reference to the full exam. Individual papers do not have grade boundaries as far as I can see?

'A' levels mocks shock
MrsHamlet · 26/02/2025 21:58

We don't do AQA and we do have boundaries by paper.

BigSilly · 26/02/2025 21:59

Fuuuuuckit · 26/02/2025 06:40

I suspect these are y13 mocks - my dd has just had another round of mocks 3 months before the real exams. They're 2 or 3 weeks away from completing the learning of the subject, from them on its revision and exam prep.

I was talking about the y12 exams the op says her daughter got an A in.

mathanxiety · 26/02/2025 22:28

She did mention seeing a therapist or counsellor recently having been completely resistant to it before. I didn't jump into 'let's contact the GP' or anything, as it needs to be something that she's fully committed to not just a passing thought.

What is your reasoning there?

The right therapist will be able to make her feel comfortable and willing to meet again.

You could revisit the topic and ask if she's willing to start looking for a therapist. Assure her that if she doesn't feel the sort of rapport that makes her comfortable she can keep on trying therapists out until she finds the right one.

Your first appointment with a therapist is where you sort of interview the therapist. It's not always the case that you and the therapist will click. Sometimes you'll find it's third one lucky, or even more.

mathanxiety · 26/02/2025 22:34

@Alevelsmockshock

Has your DD ever been part of a study group?

It's often really hard to sit on your own in your room for long stretches trying to master material, and if she has experienced trauma or anxiety, it's very possible she has been spending all those hours just ruminating or dealing with feelings of panic.

It might be a good idea for her to set up a study group to meet a few times a week. Group members can check each others' knowledge and keep spirits up. There is a feeling of accountability too.

How has she been checking whether her practice exams and the rest of her work has been correct or whether she's answered the questions fully?

Alevelsmockshock · 26/02/2025 22:48

My reasoning is exactly what you described mathsanxiety - absolutely no guarantee that the first therapist you meet is going to be the one, but it can still stir lots of stuff up and I'm not sure we need to add 'finding a therapist' into the stress mix at this point.

If she asks again with more of a 'I'd like to see one' rather than 'I'm vaguely thinking about it' tone, that might be different. I know from past experience that me trying to drive dd to do anything quickly becomes counterproductive.

Yes, she does study with friends at school - they're in 8.30 to their last lesson and she often stays later. She's been regularly handing work into her teachers/tutor who have been marking it. I've encouraged her to use the mark scheme more to review how she approached a question rather than 'mark' papers herself because it's incredibly difficult to be objective and easy to award yourself marks for something you sort of know but didn't write down.

She's much calmer today. I agreed not to ask her anymore about school as it's stressing her out. Will see if she goes to parents' evening - she knows I'm intending to.

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Bibbetybobbity · 26/02/2025 22:58

I knew you’d say Biology- it’s such a harsh marking scheme, then once you crack it, it’s possible to jump up the grades. My dd went from D/C to a really solid A in the actual a-levels, so a big leap is possible. With past papers, tutoring and lots of tlc and support, it’s 100% possible to improve the mock grades. Agree with you that a gap year would be good- especially if your dd will have slogged through her a-levels (by that point) it’s such a good time to decompress, think about their own plan, mature a bit. It was totally transformational for my dd.

marcopront · 27/02/2025 04:28

TheAmusedQuail · 26/02/2025 18:43

I'm talking about predicted grades which are then considered after the GCSEs/A Levels are over. Teachers predicted grades are compared to actual GCSE/A Level grades. Possibly some teachers do over predict. But they'll be hauled up in front of SLT (or their HoD will) and asked why their students are consistently under achieving. Woe betide any teacher who makes a habit of over predicting.

Predicted grades are different than aspirational grades.
Predicted grade is what the teacher assumes will be the final GCSE/A Level result.
Aspirational grade is what they hope the student will achieve.

Edited

I was referring to predicted grades, hence I used the term predicted grades.
I have many more conversations along the lines of "Why have you predicted so low, the child will not get an offer for X university?" than "Why have you over predicted".

marcopront · 27/02/2025 04:29

I was referring to predicted grades, hence I used the term predicted grades.
I have many more conversations along the lines of "Why have you predicted so low, the child will not get an offer for X university?" than "Why have you over predicted".
Predicted grades are not an absolute science. The conversation about students underachieving is more likely to be based on in class test and exam performance than predicted grades.

verycloakanddaggers · 27/02/2025 06:31

Alevelsmockshock · 25/02/2025 23:46

I agree that it's immature behaviour - the blaming everyone is particularly irritating for someone who is going to be 18 next month.

She has said a couple of times recently that she doesn't want to go to university. Fine by me as long as she has a plan for something to occupy her. But I think she feels like she'd be letting herself/the school down if she didn't go. She's certainly not ready to go this year (in my opinion).

She might change her mind about parents' evening (possibly to keep an eye on me!) and I shall definitely go.

She said this evening about her mind going blank in exams or, as she described it, it's like a load of letters being thrown up in the air in her head. She doesn't feel consciously stressed so much, but it does sound like an anxiety-driven, quiet panic/blanking out.

She's never coped well with transitions, and she had a very traumatic experience at end of Y9/beg of Y10 at her old school which she's never really processed properly (always refused to see a counsellor/therapist) and took a long time to settle into a new school. She struggled with the end of Y11 and bottled out of going to a better sixth form, which was the right thing for her to do as she clearly wasn't ready.

My sense is that there's going to be (a few more) years of high drama as she works things through.

You use the dismissive terms 'immature' and 'drama' but then list lots of genuine issues. Sounds like she's had a tough time? Some people do really struggle with exams.

It's pretty human to be defensive in these situations, although of course it's more helpful to be open to discussing failure.

Is there a teacher she trusts that she can speak to?

TheAmusedQuail · 27/02/2025 10:23

MrsHamlet · 26/02/2025 21:58

We don't do AQA and we do have boundaries by paper.

Edited

But it's possible to take the marks from the grade boundaries from the previous year's exam and work out the boundaries for marks for the mock. So it's a factual representation.

Editing to apologise. Responding to another poster.

Alevelsmockshock · 27/02/2025 15:40

Goodness, I know dd has lots of genuine issues, the last thing I'd ever be dismissive. Yes, she had a very tough time Y9/Y10, as we were coming out of covid restrictions and it's had a huge negative effect on all aspects of her life. Really distressing to witness.

She has good relationships with teachers who I'm sure are saying 'exam technique, exam technique, exam technique'.

Generally, she won't talk about the traumatic experiences at all. She did bring it up in conversation a few months ago, describing it as 'traumatic' so I think she's processing that she does need some professional help with it to move on.

Bibbitybobbity yes, I don't think it's particularly lack of subject knowledge. It's about working out what the examiners want and getting that down on paper.

Thanks again all.

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