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Finishing Y11 content

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YesYesKitten · 18/01/2025 23:44

One of DD's Y11 subjects is so behind that they are slotting in an extra c.12 hours of lessons and even then they won't finish content until just the lesson before the first exams in mid-May.

Whereas other subjects aim to finish before Easter.

The teacher said other schools sometimes tell pupils to cover content themselves as they've run out of time - is this anyone's experience?

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Octavia64 · 19/01/2025 04:19

It's not ideal but it happens.

GrammarTeacher · 19/01/2025 07:20

We work at break-neck speed (in limited curriculum time) and are usually finished in time for January mocks. I’ve had some issues with chest infections over the last term though so still have about 3 or 4 poems from the anthology to cover. The exams seem to get earlier every year though. And we will be starting study leave a week and a half earlier than we did three years ago (which translates into 5 hour long lessons vanishing for me).

Sandylittleknees · 19/01/2025 07:23

Is it Biology? That’s often close to the end as it is so content heavy?

HPandthelastwish · 19/01/2025 07:24

Yes, Biology is almost impossible to cover if you have a lower ability cohort and need to spend any real time on anything.

You also have students missing lessons for trips, or taken out to go finish their coursework on other subjects. Which puts added pressure on other subjects teachers.

GrammarTeacher · 19/01/2025 07:27

HPandthelastwish · 19/01/2025 07:24

Yes, Biology is almost impossible to cover if you have a lower ability cohort and need to spend any real time on anything.

You also have students missing lessons for trips, or taken out to go finish their coursework on other subjects. Which puts added pressure on other subjects teachers.

Students being taken out can be SO frustrating. In my case it’s basketball. It seems to always affect an afternoon I’m teaching them (never their games afternoon) and a large proportion of them are students who NEED to be in the lessons.

I should perhaps have added the main reason we can finish so early is that we can trust the students to read the texts at home so don’t need to read a whole nineteenth century novel in class.

YesYesKitten · 19/01/2025 08:23

I can understand a few hours but 12 hours seems to be a lot, and I imagine they must have been aware of this for a while.

The teacher seems very competent so i think that's why it surprised DD and I too.

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PerpetualOptimist · 19/01/2025 09:54

It was ever thus; two of my O levels were affected like this; one of my DC had two GCSEs affected like this and, for another DC, one of their A levels.

All you can do, at this stage, is be positive and emphasise that the school has acknowledged the issue and is putting a plan in place and that at least recently taught material will be fresh in the mind; encourage your DD to have an overall revision plan that strikes a balance, as best as can be achieved, between the catch-up subject and other subjects, esp key ones like Maths and English Lang.

Because of my experience at O level, I encouraged my DC to familiarise themselves with the syllabus and their progress against it, so they could feel a bit more in control and could (like me) decide whether to take mitigating action. At least these days, specifications and self-study materials are more readily available.

Obviously none of the above is ideal and, with retention and recruitment issues, may get worse. I agree that schools can be late in declaring there is a problem; in a backdrop where there is a lot to teach, a problem in, say Autumn Y11, may well escalate things very quickly without elapse time to address it.

My school did nothing to address the syllabus shortfall for me; it was down to me to sort it. At least, for my DC, attempts were made to assist with catch-up and that sometimes meant other teachers stepping in with extra lessons, for which I was grateful.

Wishihadanalgorithm · 19/01/2025 10:00

The content for GCSEs is crazy these days. (I think GCSEs are due a shake up as the cure t specs have been in place a long time).

Even the most competent of teachers can struggle to get to the end and have time for revision. A super bright class can cover content for themselves and then practice exam skills and application in class but if you have an average group, or one who struggles, then the teacher will need to go much more slowly.

It sounds like the school is aware of the situation and dealing with it. Just support your DC and help them manage their revision on top of new content leading up to the exams.

newmum1976 · 19/01/2025 10:05

Yes, my DD1 had this last year for history and all 3 sciences. I think it just meant everything was covered properly. She did incredibly well so it wasn’t a problem.

menopausalmare · 19/01/2025 10:19

I teach biology and this shouldn't be happening. Poor planning from the school. Year 11 shouldn't be taken out on trips after a set date and other subjects shouldn't be taking out students for coursework when science has its own required practicals to complete. Any student being taken out should rotate so all subjects are hit, not just one. And lastly, the whole GCSE science content should be mapped out on an overview sheet and shared with the department so everyone sticks religiously to the timings.

YesYesKitten · 19/01/2025 11:35

Several posters have named one subject (Biology) so shouldn't the HoDs be contacting exam boards and saying the syllabus isn't achievable in mixed ability classes?

Or does it not work that way?

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feedmegyoza · 19/01/2025 11:53

YesYesKitten · 19/01/2025 11:35

Several posters have named one subject (Biology) so shouldn't the HoDs be contacting exam boards and saying the syllabus isn't achievable in mixed ability classes?

Or does it not work that way?

It doesn't work that way. In my subject (not Biology), we have been telling the exam boards for years there is too much content to cover (in both A-Level and GCSE) and nothing has been done.

clary · 19/01/2025 11:57

There is another thread where a parent is claiming to have covered the entire syllabus for one GCSE in 12 hours so...

Anyway I think this can be an issue but careful planning should make it less common. Trouble is any school can be hit by staff illness or shortage of specialist staff. I recall getting frustrated when I was trying to finish off the syllabus for GSCE German before Christmas, only to have to revise my plans as students kept missing lessons for mocks (so obvs I couldn't get the work covered with half the class missing).

At least it's been flagged and something is being done.

Btw @Wishihadanalgorithm there are changes in the pipeline for some GCSEs but the current spec has only been in place for exams from 2018 (2017 in the case of three subjects) so not really that long.

HPandthelastwish · 19/01/2025 11:58

@YesYesKitten but 12 missed hours isn't much over the two year course

Thats 6 full day trips wiping out lessons per year over year 10 & 11. Or students on a sports fixture in the pm leaving only half a class. Or a fire alarm drill or lockdown. A special assembly or speaker in during that lesson time. It's possible that these could all hit one subject. & Teacher illness when cover work is set and needs reteaching. It soon adds up.

Wishihadanalgorithm · 19/01/2025 12:05

I think my subject may be one whose spec began in 2017. From a meeting pre-Covid, AQA told me that each spec has a shelf life of 5 years which is why I think they are quite old now. I’m just waiting to be told it’s going to be all change again.

clary · 19/01/2025 12:28

Wishihadanalgorithm · 19/01/2025 12:05

I think my subject may be one whose spec began in 2017. From a meeting pre-Covid, AQA told me that each spec has a shelf life of 5 years which is why I think they are quite old now. I’m just waiting to be told it’s going to be all change again.

The specs began earlier sorry – the first exams for the current specs of Eng and maths were in 2017 (studying starting in 2015); for most other GCSEs the specs started (as in students started studying them) in 2016 for exams in 2018. A few subjects (mainly DT) started in 2017 for exams in 2019.

I didn't know that about a five-year shelf life. The thing is that the current specs were brought in in a hurry and not fully finished; we had IIRC not much idea of what a grade 9 looked like when we were first teaching. So let’s hope any major changes are carefully thought through and planned.

GrammarTeacher · 19/01/2025 12:32

clary · 19/01/2025 12:28

The specs began earlier sorry – the first exams for the current specs of Eng and maths were in 2017 (studying starting in 2015); for most other GCSEs the specs started (as in students started studying them) in 2016 for exams in 2018. A few subjects (mainly DT) started in 2017 for exams in 2019.

I didn't know that about a five-year shelf life. The thing is that the current specs were brought in in a hurry and not fully finished; we had IIRC not much idea of what a grade 9 looked like when we were first teaching. So let’s hope any major changes are carefully thought through and planned.

They’ve been planning changes for a while now. For English they are very overdue. We used to rotate texts every 5 years (3 at A Level) but neither have changed since the ‘new’ specs.

clary · 19/01/2025 12:49

GrammarTeacher · 19/01/2025 12:32

They’ve been planning changes for a while now. For English they are very overdue. We used to rotate texts every 5 years (3 at A Level) but neither have changed since the ‘new’ specs.

Do you think that has to do with Covid which blew a hole in it all?

Or is it that the current specs were rushed in and they don’t want to do that again?

I thought there were some new texts for English? The History Boys is out I think...

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 19/01/2025 12:53

DD's school do a 3 year GCSE course, they then have compulsory school for 2 days in every holiday from Autumn half term of Y11 onwards, Saturday school for core subjects from start of Y11 and no study leave - they attend lessons throughout the exam period. Plus catch-up/revision classes before or after school available in every subject.

Can your school not do something like that to help catch up what's missing?

YesYesKitten · 19/01/2025 13:10

You've just reminded me that they started the GCSE content in Y9. So three years and still up to the wire.

No significant absences from the teacher who has always presented as being on the ball. I recall an end of topic test being set to be done at home last year because of running out of lesson ttime but I wasn't aware that was indicative of a bigger issue.

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LottieMary · 19/01/2025 13:44

I thought there were some new texts for English? The History Boys is out I think...

There have been some additions to the 'modern' paper but the least popular texts were removed to make space - so everyone teaching an inspector calls just carries on regardless

The modern texts also aren't that great imo

19c and Shakespeare haven't changed, poetry anthology got a new one but again an addition not replacement

For various reasons in English well finish just after half term for y11 but are behind in y13 and trying hard to catch up

clary · 19/01/2025 16:18

Agree re uninspiring 20th century texts, tho DD (first year of new spec) did Animal Farm which is great. But yy everyone does AIC.

The MFL GCSE is changing slightly starting this Sept (I mean teaching from this Sept to reassure anyone with DC in year 10) to include a dictation element, but it's more a tweak than anything major.

Octavia64 · 19/01/2025 16:23

The maths gcse had loads of new content added in the new specs.

Maths is generally taught in sets so top set generally do an extra maths gcse - either statistics or further maths - as they often finish the content by the end of year 10.

Lower sets do foundation and don't even get taught the higher content as they just can't access it.

Phineyj · 19/01/2025 17:09

Is behaviour an issue in the class? That can really slow things down.

Newbutoldfather · 19/01/2025 17:16

It’s poor from the teacher or the school, or both.

I taught a science subject (not Biology though) and always aimed to finish by this coming half term or shortly after.

Triple award does have a lot of content but should only be Sat by higher ability prepared to go at a decent pace. Double award has much less content and is relatively easy to finish.

Science teachers are short changed timetable-wise though. There is no less content in a full Physics GCSE than any other subject but schools give it less teaching time.

So, either the teacher has mis paced it, or the school has allocated too few teaching hours. But, if it is a science, bad the other two are managing fine, it is the teacher…